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Post by gerp124 on Mar 21, 2017 20:21:17 GMT -5
Hello MUGers
I got the MT55cc, and I couldn't be happier and I'm very appreciative of the guidance I got on this forum.
BUT the dust extraction hose situation has shown me how stupid I am, and I am duly humiliated.
Seriously, I bought the AeroFix thing, but I haven't found any _good_ documentation on how these things are supposed to connect.
Specifically, I need a hose that goes from the MT55cc to the AeroFix, and so would need to have two 27mm end fittings like the short hose that came with the AeroFix (I think- it appears that the hose goes on the _inside_ of the MT55cc nozzle, but again, not seeing anything in the manual). The only hoses I'm finding appear to have a male-female arrangement, so you can plug them together.
Also, what goes on the inside and what goes on the outside? The hose fitting _on_ the AeroFix goes on the _inside_ of the hose connector, and appears to be the 27mm standard, but the other end goes _in_ the fitting on the saw, and appears to be the 35mm standard, so these are dual gender fittings?
And the outside of this fitting has a groove with an O-ring like it should lock into something but it doesn't appear to lock into anything, and looks odd when it's plugged into the AeroFix female style. BUT when plugged into the MT55cc the groove doesn't appear engage anything.
Is there some sort of remedial education resource for stoopid Americans trying to learn all this space-age European technology? In other words, Is there a website or manual that just spells out how the system works? I actually think I might be smart enough to figure it out if given a clue or two.
And again, the real problem I'm trying to solve is how to hook the MT55cc up to the Aerofix.
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Post by Eoj on Mar 21, 2017 20:27:35 GMT -5
Hello MUGers I got the MT55cc, and I couldn't be happier and I'm very appreciative of the guidance I got on this forum. BUT the dust extraction hose situation has shown me how stupid I am, and I am duly humiliated. Seriously, I bought the AeroFix thing, but I haven't found any _good_ documentation on how these things are supposed to connect. Specifically, I need a hose that goes from the MT55cc to the AeroFix, and so would need to have two 27mm end fittings like the short hose that came with the AeroFix (I think- it appears that the hose goes on the _inside_ of the MT55cc nozzle, but again, not seeing anything in the manual). The only hoses I'm finding appear to have a male-female arrangement, so you can plug them together. Also, what goes on the inside and what goes on the outside? The hose fitting _on_ the AeroFix goes on the _inside_ of the hose connector, and appears to be the 27mm standard, but the other end goes _in_ the fitting on the saw, and appears to be the 35mm standard, so these are dual gender fittings? And the outside of this fitting has a groove with an O-ring like it should lock into something but it doesn't appear to lock into anything, and looks odd when it's plugged into the AeroFix female style. BUT when plugged into the MT55cc the groove doesn't appear engage anything. Is there some sort of remedial education resource for stoopid Americans trying to learn all this space-age European technology? In other words, Is there a website or manual that just spells out how the system works? I actually think I might be smart enough to figure it out if given a clue or two. And again, the real problem I'm trying to solve is how to hook the MT55cc up to the Aerofix. Thanks in advance for any help. try watching this link |
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Post by gerp124 on Mar 21, 2017 20:38:24 GMT -5
Thanks Eoj.
I've seen that video, and it helped.
Still can't figure out where to find a hose that goes from the one type of connector to the same type of connector. All I can find are hoses that go from one type of connector to a different type of connector.
Also wish I could find a resource to tell me what things are called so that I can say something more discrete that 'one type of connector'. I assume there are names for these things.
Or maybe there's another way to connect to the MT55cc.
I'm hoping that I don't have to spend $1,000 on hoses just to try to figure out for myself how stuff plugs up.
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Post by Eoj on Mar 21, 2017 20:49:27 GMT -5
The instructions for the Aerofix are on the back of the cardboard box . Mafell makes and Timberwolf sell the longer hose for the connection between the saw and track.."needed for long cuts" . FXSL would be the order name .
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Post by gerp124 on Mar 21, 2017 21:18:49 GMT -5
Thanks Eoj- I'll take a look.
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Post by aas on Mar 22, 2017 1:44:47 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm struggling to work out what you're asking! The Aerofix kit comes with a hose that goes between the MT55 and Aerofix rail - it's marked on the Aerofix adapter which connector is for the vac and which is for the saw. (If you want a longer version of this hose - Mafell sell one as has been mentioned above - I highly recommend that you get it as it's very useful for longer cuts.)
The other connection on the Aerofix, marked with a pictogram of a vac - goes to your vac! Normally your vac already has a hose!
I use mine with a Festool CTL Midi - the Festool hose connects to the Aerofix OK; it also connects no problems to the MT55 if I'm not using the Aerofix.
As an asides, I also have an adaptor made of a short length of plastic waste pipe that allows me to connect the two Aerofix hoses for a very long and flexible hose.
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Post by jonathan on Mar 22, 2017 3:14:11 GMT -5
 1) What dust extractor do you have? Most name brand dust extractors come with a rubber 27mm hose end that's become somewhat of a "universal" standard. Mafell, Festool, Bosch, Metabo ... dust extractors for example all come with this type of rubber hose end. The 27mm nozzle will either fit over a 27mm dust port for tools like sanders or inside a 35mm dust port like on a saw. 2) The supplied black stretchable hose (that is part of the aerofix kit) is used to continue the connection to your saw. This hose has the same rubber connector on both ends and will fit over the ports on the aerofix rail and inside the dust port on your saw. Like others have said there Mafell makes a longer version of that stretch hose and it is recommended to get that one for larger sheet goods. Hope the above illustrations help to show how it all connects. |
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Post by gerp124 on Mar 22, 2017 11:07:15 GMT -5
I must admit, I'm struggling to work out what you're asking! As an asides, I also have an adaptor made of a short length of plastic waste pipe that allows me to connect the two Aerofix hoses for a very long and flexible hose. My apologies- I was ranting a bit. It really bothers me when manufacturers make information so difficult to acquire. Here are my needs: 1) A specific make and model of a hose that is identical to the one that ships with the Aerofix, but that is at least 10' long. I can't find the product mentioned above, the FXSL, neither on the Timberwolf website nor in a general internet search via google search engine. 2) A website that clearly and succinctly illustrates the names and dimensions of this hose system. I don't have it in hand, but I don't recall seeing any labels on the AeroFix hose indicating a saw end and a rail end. In fact, I've looked at both ends very carefully, and they appear identical. I assumed that the hose supplied with the AeroFix would go between the AeroFix and the vacuum, I also admit that I didn't save the box- it's a box, so I recycled it. I think it's a seriously flawed system if that's the sole source of written instructions. By 'written' I do not include pictograms- I really don't know what the pictures on the track are trying to say. To elaborate, there are very many hoses that come up in my internet searches, but the specifications are very sparse. It appears that there is a shorthand notation, but if so I do not understand it. Maybe your second point about a homemade adapter is the real answer I need to hear. For all this ungodly expensive equipment, this part of it is pretty much improvised. And admit my frustration- it seems like this should be completely trivial, but that expectation is apparently misguided. So the time and effort I'll save with a nice track saw can be used trying to hook it up to a vacuum. Duct tape to the rescue. |
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Post by gerp124 on Mar 22, 2017 11:27:01 GMT -5
The 27mm nozzle will either fit over a 27mm dust port for tools like sanders or inside a 35mm dust port like on a saw.
Like others have said there Mafell makes a longer version of that stretch hose and it is recommended to get that one for larger sheet goods.
Thanks Jonathan. For now I want to use an old Craftsman ShopVac with a 2.25"port. I spent all my money on a track saw :-) But I'm afraid to even think about how to manage it, when I've spent the better part of a day just trying to figure out how to connect two pieces from the same, very high end manufacturer. Thanks for the clarification on the hoses- maybe it should have been obvious, but I did not find it clearly stated. I've seen a number of different hoses from many manufacturers, but the nomenclature is not clear. How is the hose that shipped with the AeroFix referred to? As a "27mm"? As a "35mm"? Are these two things the same thing, or does "35mm" refer to a larger hose with a 35mm i.d. and a larger o.d.? Also, none of them have the same connector on both ends. I can recognize one connector as being the same as the hose that shipped with the AeroFix, but I don't know what the other end is intended to connect to. Maybe only Mafell makes hoses with this same connector on both ends, and maybe that's because they're the only ones who make the AeroFix and so no other setup needs this same connector on both ends, but I can't find the longer one. So I either need a link to this longer Mafell hose, or I need an adapter setup to get the same two ends on some other hose. Any advice on how to get from the AeroFix to the ShopVac would also be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. |
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Post by fuzzylogic on Mar 22, 2017 15:01:04 GMT -5
Hello gerp. Rather than try to answer your specific questions - just one or two almost random thoughts regarding the situation you find yourself. Do you have a digital caliper? If not, suggest get one - cheap ones will accurate enough to measure outside / internal diameters of the various ports / connections. Will ensure you know what you have, and, if necessary, better able to plan of what hoses / adapters required. You may well have already Googled "How to connect up a Mafell aerofix" or whatever search criteria you prefer. Most YouTube videos seem to not use good lighting for the sort of details you may be looking for... Having established what adapters [whatever] you need; could then just Google for sizes wanted. Have you checked out this MUF thread: mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/90/aerofix-af-1 Maybe useful in some way - maybe not. Good luck. Richard (UK) |
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Post by gerp124 on Mar 22, 2017 15:16:56 GMT -5
Thanks fuzzylogicThe problem isn't so much measuring what I have, rather determining the dimensions of the available products. Many of these connectors look pretty specialized, with grooves and O-rings and the like, so I would like to see detailed dimensions. Instead I'm trying to divine compatibility by appearance of photos and vague product descriptions. |
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Post by kraftt on Mar 22, 2017 15:35:19 GMT -5
Lets work off the Aerofix pdf to verify / identify parts & problems: Aerofix.pdf (356.6 KB) And for the short term one of these inexpensive common nozzles can adapt to most anything (even if it needs to be cut) so you can enjoy the tool until parts are sorted out.  ---------------------------------- Click on image for GIF below: |
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Post by holmz on Mar 22, 2017 15:48:10 GMT -5
I'm still laughing about the title, which I thought was a typo.
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Post by kraftt on Mar 22, 2017 15:55:17 GMT -5
Hehe... now u got me laughing. I can hear this from my youth... "Well first son you have to be smarter than the damn hose!"
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Post by mattj on Mar 22, 2017 17:04:39 GMT -5
gerp124, can you post pictures of the parts in question?
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