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Post by rizzoa13 on Oct 4, 2017 18:55:12 GMT -5
Unless you’ve heard something about an update I really wouldn’t hold my breath for one. That saw is already hands down the best on the market for a site saw. I can’t see mafell putting much effort into making it better since it really doesn’t have competition.
The sawstop is just a normal site saw with a beisemeyer type fence and a flesh sensing tech. The fes tool cms or cs70 looks like a freaking toy compared to the Erika. I just don’t see any product putting it to mafell to innovate really.
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Post by holmz on Oct 5, 2017 7:52:53 GMT -5
my 2¢ ... ... You want it, fine. Start paying it off a little each week - but pay it to yourself by putting it aside. By that time the new saw or something else will be available. Well the Mrs was saying the same, which is why it took me a year+ to choke up the funds... (that is about 120 slabs of VB and 60 of the "Little Creatures"... PBR would be ~2-300) |
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Post by kraftt on Oct 5, 2017 10:29:52 GMT -5
Unless you’ve heard something about an update I really wouldn’t hold my breath for one. That saw is already hands down the best on the market for a site saw. I can’t see mafell putting much effort into making it better since it really doesn’t have competition. The sawstop is just a normal site saw with a beisemeyer type fence and a flesh sensing tech. The fes tool cms or cs70 looks like a freaking toy compared to the Erika. I just don’t see any product putting it to mafell to innovate really. Fest buying sawstop on one hand and DeWalt making 60v saws on the other are actually perfect examples. Just battery tech exponential growth and changes alone dictate mafell apply that to a ‘portable’ saw. But the question raised here seems to me isn’t whether mafell Erikas rein supreme, a quick video demo makes that clear to any tradesman, but whether it’s so necessary as to go into debt for it. |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 5, 2017 12:19:38 GMT -5
I will say, the Erika is the most versatile portable table saw on the market. I love it's adaptability on a site and it's a great saw for a tiny shop. It's also expensive as fuck.
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Post by rizzoa13 on Oct 5, 2017 16:34:58 GMT -5
Unless you’ve heard something about an update I really wouldn’t hold my breath for one. That saw is already hands down the best on the market for a site saw. I can’t see mafell putting much effort into making it better since it really doesn’t have competition. The sawstop is just a normal site saw with a beisemeyer type fence and a flesh sensing tech. The fes tool cms or cs70 looks like a freaking toy compared to the Erika. I just don’t see any product putting it to mafell to innovate really. Fest buying sawstop on one hand and DeWalt making 60v saws on the other are actually perfect examples. Just battery tech exponential growth and changes alone dictate mafell apply that to a ‘portable’ saw. But the question raised here seems to me isn’t whether mafell Erikas rein supreme, a quick video demo makes that clear to any tradesman, but whether it’s so necessary as to go into debt for it. I really beg to differ. Festool quality has been horrendous recently and whereas Steve Glass put together a really quality table saw in his sawstop, Festool is just going to fuck it up and try to make the most profit possible. The desalt battery saw could very well be great but it’s still a dewalt. I’ve used their 110v saw and in comparison to the Erika it has no balls whatsoever, doesn’t have the utility of a sliding table, dovetail slot or pull function and has a crappy stand. So what if it’s cordless? There’s no comparison. |
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Post by kraftt on Oct 5, 2017 16:41:20 GMT -5
... I should clarify:
Price-wise & Business-wise I think there is 'value' for anyone who would be using it regularly or even if it was bought for one large job to make things flow. Any tool that can make my work easier, better, etc. is the most economical tool. Besides it's a write off.
As a woodworking 'toy' or 'trophy' for the casual user, I would also say hell yes. It would just make you happy and your hobby that much more enjoyable - and that makes it totally worth it.
We all throw our money away each day on so many little things that don't deliver or end up not using that I could never fault the purchase of something spendy that actually does deliver/perform. I always rationalize these purchases as money well spent/focused.
But, the knowledge that there are other financial obligations, maybe mouths to feed etc., requiring a debt to be taken on tips the rational scales towards the saw being less a priority. It does things well and efficiently but it's not exclusive to getting the work done.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 5, 2017 16:54:21 GMT -5
At the end of the day day. If a new erika is to come out it isn't going to be a million times better.
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Post by kraftt on Oct 5, 2017 16:58:57 GMT -5
Fest buying sawstop on one hand and DeWalt making 60v saws on the other are actually perfect examples. Just battery tech exponential growth and changes alone dictate mafell apply that to a ‘portable’ saw. But the question raised here seems to me isn’t whether mafell Erikas rein supreme, a quick video demo makes that clear to any tradesman, but whether it’s so necessary as to go into debt for it. I really beg to differ. Festool quality has been horrendous recently and whereas Steve Glass put together a really quality table saw in his sawstop, Festool is just going to fuck it up and try to make the most profit possible. The desalt battery saw could very well be great but it’s still a dewalt. I’ve used their 110v saw and in comparison to the Erika it has no balls whatsoever, doesn’t have the utility of a sliding table, dovetail slot or pull function and has a crappy stand. So what if it’s cordless? There’s no comparison. Yes. You're preaching to the choir. It actually saddened my when I learned that Fest bought Sawstop. And while it's encouraging that Yellow is innovating I would never purchase (yet), unless for disposable reasons, their tools for what I perceive as both quality and longevity issues. (don't get me started on aesthetics) But they are examples of a changing market. So it's hard to think that mafell, who is no stranger to innovation, won't continue on that road. What I offered was a carrot. Putting money aside pays dividends in that innovation often meets you half way and a person saving has control of those funds should an emergency arise. (Paying interest is ridiculous.) |
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Post by kraftt on Oct 5, 2017 17:09:40 GMT -5
At the end of the day day. If a new erika is to come out it isn't going to be a million times better. just a million times more expensive  |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 5, 2017 17:32:10 GMT -5
Here's a little vid showing how the extension table can be taking off the erika all together with the rails table and guide fence and replaced back on and doesn't need stripped to every part
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Post by holmz on Oct 5, 2017 20:06:22 GMT -5
As naildrivingman is leaning away it is time for another instalment of the "contrarian arguments" . 1) Look at the cost of a Kapex. (It is a SCMS that reputed to be the best in class, other than burning up.) 2) Look at the Kapex cost. 3) Subtract the Kapex cost from the Erika, as the Erika can do mitres... (and a burning Kapex has little value) 4) Look in the wallet to see what extra funds are required. I used this on myself and it worked. But you may not be as gullible to my mental powers.  |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 5, 2017 22:41:08 GMT -5
Off topic but on the sawstop cabinet saw, I've decided I don't like them. The distance from the front of the sawblade to the frontedge of the table, is much shorter than that of say a king table saw of the same capacity. In short, it's a tricky pain landing a large sheet on the saw without first hitting the blade. While the safety concept is all well and good, I've seen a load of them fire but never off a finger.
Just saying.
There are better quality tablesaw out there for the shop.
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Post by kraftt on Oct 6, 2017 9:55:17 GMT -5
I can't remember, wasn't there a defeat switch anyways so you could cut wet lumber, metal ? I'm sure festool will make their version extra sensitive to $ell those cartridges. Whatever happened to this - Whirlwind |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 6, 2017 21:56:32 GMT -5
There is a key lockout to override the safety,every now and then someone forgets to do it.
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Post by kraftt on Oct 6, 2017 23:03:36 GMT -5
Exactly. And if you're even just a little unsure/nervous about the moisture content with no spare cartridges on hand needing to get a job finished you're going to override that safety too.
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