char
New Member
Posts: 25
|
Post by char on Sept 3, 2013 19:36:53 GMT -5
I decided to go with the Mafell P1CC , I agree with Jonathan , the P1cc looks more like a tool that I would carry from jobsite to jobsite without adjusting anything when changing blades , thanks again for your advice .
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Sept 3, 2013 20:19:16 GMT -5
well keep us posted on how it performs!
|
|
|
Post by woodie on Sept 3, 2013 23:41:02 GMT -5
Late to the party I see... I agree with Jonathan that Festool seems to be offering a lot of bling for the Carvex that doesn't seem all that useful. 1 - Strobe Light - Alright this looks pretty cool in the videos, but a majority of the european members on the FOG say they've turned it off, as it makes it more difficult to see the cut line. I guess freezing the sawdust with the blade was a bad idea. 2 - Standard Light - I thought this would be a feature I would regret not having on the P1cc, but visibility of the blade and cutline is so good it's really not necessary. The housing and front dust shroud on the Carvex does look like it could benefit from the additional lighting though 3 - Blade Eject - Festool is really pushing this as a feature? My Bosch 1590 could do this and I didn't like it. I think one time I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out where the dang blade went. Of course with the carbide blade guides the blade is going to get warm hot so maybe it is a "feature", but not a unique one. 4 - Multi Base Platform - According to this video from Festool, the Carvex is the first saw to utilize a multi-base platform... huh? When did the P1cc come out? Carvex 420 (It's 23 seconds in) 5 - Angle Base - It's a cool concept but just doesn't seem well executed. You set the base to an angle, no preset angles by the way, and then you're left with half a base to keep the saw flat against the work piece... Of course, according to Shane on the FOG, you can remove the plastic inserts and add home-made inserts to widen the platform... So they offer five or six inserts for the 90 degree base and can't make a widening insert for the $95.00 angle base? 6 - Optional Inserts for 90 Degree Base - This seems a bit gimmicky. Why do you need all these inserts? Just use one and make sure it's clean. Heck, keep a spare on you if necessary. Btw, I called about the plastic insert on Mafell's 90 degree base, they're replaceable for $24.50. Just for comparison, the Mafell insert is most comparable to the Carvex dimple insert wich sells for $22.00. 7 - Circle Cutter - This is pretty cool! I'm not sure how often I see myself using a jigsaw for a 3 meter circle, but it would be nice having the added length. One thing I'm curious about though is how stiff the "tape measure like" trammel is. Check out this video at around 4:33, you'll see the circle cutter flex/bend in the middle. Carvex Video by Phil Beckley
|
|
|
Post by MrToolJunkie on Sept 3, 2013 23:56:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the replies. Would really like to see pics of cut quality of the P1CC with standard T-shank blades if anyone has any -- really interested in seeing squareness of cut in different thicknesses. I cut a lot of 8/4 maple, cherry, walnut, etc...
The circle cutter looks awesome on the Carvex and agree with some of the other bases seeming a little gimmicky -- not sure why you would need a plastic and hard-fiber base...why not just supply it with the hard-fiber base that is more durable? The rail cutting attachment really irks me with no adjustment and the fact that no fence is available is another oversight of the Carvex IMHO.
My Trion is new and works really well...it just lacks a couple of things that the P1CC offers or that the Carvex purports to offer. Can one have too many jigsaws?
Woodie -- loved your video and pics...if you happen to have any of cut quality that would be awesome.
Scot
|
|
|
Post by woodie on Sept 4, 2013 0:15:09 GMT -5
Of course there's the price. $550.00 for the Carvex with the accessory bundle vs. $799.20 for the Mafell with the Angle Base. That's a pretty sizable difference... but you're paying for a lot of innovation. - Patented Blade Clamping Mechanism - No carbide blade guides to adjust, blades last a lot longer because there's less heat. - Unique Orbital Action - No rear roller and the orbiting action doesn't start until the blade makes contact with your workpiece. - Integrated Chip Removal - The built in blower utilizes the same channels in the 90 degree base as the dust extractor keeping the cut line clear. - Cunex W1 Jigsaw Blade - The idea of this blade seems so simple but without the unique clamping mechanism this blade wouldn't work. - Cut with the Blade Backwards - Use more of the Jigsaw base when making notches in your workpiece. - Really Good Angle Base - ...
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Sept 4, 2013 0:34:29 GMT -5
I think one has to compare the price of the Carvex to the Trion, as they're basically the same with the exception to a few accessory "upgrades". The most important to me is the radius guide.....I do cut 3 meter circles...... a lot! This kind of debunks the whole magic system thing to festool, as if it were a part of a system this attachment would be usable on previous versions of the saw...
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Sept 4, 2013 4:18:55 GMT -5
Just a quick question on jigsaws I see that some people keep going on about us in in the jigsaw to cut the scribe joints in there skirting I honestly can't see hoe this is quicker than cutting a 45 on the chop saw then cutting the mould part with a good old fashioned coping saw then cutting the flat part of the skirting with a hand saw. To me it seems like using a power tool for the sake of it, but maybe I wrong
|
|
|
Post by MrToolJunkie on Sept 4, 2013 6:48:59 GMT -5
I think one has to compare the price of the Carvex to the Trion, as they're basically the same with the exception to a few accessory "upgrades". The most important to me is the radius guide.....I do cut 3 meter circles...... a lot! This kind of debunks the whole magic system thing to festool, as if it were a part of a system this attachment would be usable on previous versions of the saw... Yes...I agree. I am also trying to source 4mm x 3mm rectangular bar stock as you could easily make a longer trammel arm for circles. Scot
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Sept 4, 2013 7:19:15 GMT -5
Another thing you could do is make a jig for cutting an eclipse
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Sept 4, 2013 7:54:07 GMT -5
Aaron, I've done longer scribes than just skirting board. Filler strips up against brick or stone for example
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Sept 4, 2013 8:22:31 GMT -5
Yeah I would do that too with a jigsaw it's 4" ogee skirting I can't work out why you would use a jigsaw scribing to a stone wall makes sense
|
|
char
New Member
Posts: 25
|
Post by char on Sept 5, 2013 20:46:21 GMT -5
Hey guys,I just wanted to let you know that I had a change of heart at the last minute and since Festool is offering a 30 day return policy I decided to order the Carvex PS420 and try it out for myself, I wish Mafell would do the same but they don't so If for some reason the Carvex don't work out I can always return it and get the P1CC but it wouldn't work the other way around.I also ordered the Carvex Long blades as well so I want to see for myself how square it cuts on some 3" to 4" stock and see how it fits my needs. I appreciate all of your advice for me to get the P1CC but I'm a little stubborn when it comes to tools and I got nothing to loose with trying the Carvex for 29 days. Thanks again.
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Sept 5, 2013 21:25:49 GMT -5
you should be stubborn with your tools, you pay a lot of money for them. Let us know how it performs
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Sept 5, 2013 21:27:16 GMT -5
just remember the 30 day return policy doesn't cover the accessories.......
|
|
char
New Member
Posts: 25
|
Post by char on Sept 5, 2013 21:41:35 GMT -5
Thanks Ghostfist , I didn't order the accessories, just the saw and the long blades to see how it performs.I will post back .
|
|