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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 3, 2015 8:29:09 GMT -5
Can't really give any feedback on abranet wearing out prematurely. Have you thought about getting the doors dipped.
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Post by jimbouk on Oct 3, 2015 9:56:12 GMT -5
Nothing to add about the abranet but I am not happy with the deros at all.
All was fine and as normal until while sanding a door the other day it blew up. Just went pop and started smoking. Wasn't under heavy load and was being extracted so no idea what went wrong. Got to send it for repair and struggle without a sander now.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 3, 2015 11:28:41 GMT -5
Hopefully get something sorted out soon
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Post by jonathan on Oct 3, 2015 14:15:40 GMT -5
Heh, I love my Deros, and Abranet!
The coarse HD pads of 40 and 60 grit are rubbish though.
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Post by 7 on Oct 3, 2015 19:14:25 GMT -5
wolfhound- is your Deros hooked up to a vac/dust extractor? I found this helps keep the pad cooler so it doesn't just heat up the old clear coat and melt it to the sanding pad. I have sanded complete doors with just a couple disks right through lacquer and stain. I have had good luck applying only light pressure, letting the machine do the work and having the vac air keeping the pad nice and cool.
I agree jonathan- I love the ceros, deros, and paper besides the two grits mentioned (they cause little mini circle scratches in the wood.
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 4, 2015 12:04:40 GMT -5
7 Yes, the Deros is hooked up to a Festool CTL Midi set at lowest power (I have read on a number of threads/forums that for sanding this is best). I don't know, maybe my expectations were too high, maybe it's not the right tool for the job. But if you sanded complete doors with just a couple of disks then I'm baffled. Only thing I can think of is that some of the older layers could have been lead-based and that it was taxing the Abranet ? Just to see how it would go, I had a try with my 14 year old el-cheapo Ryobi sander with 0,5 euro/box P60 sand paper. It worked just as well if not better that the Deros & Abranet. Only downside was I got a hell of a lot more dust of course. Luckily I was outside with a mask. wrightwoodwork - No, I hadn't thought of getting them dipped. They are not particularly special, we just wanted to remove the panels and replace them with sanded glass and thought that the bear wood would look nicer... and it does :-)
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Post by 7 on Oct 4, 2015 22:49:40 GMT -5
I remember basically just going through the grits to take off the finish and end with a nice smooth door ready for the new finish. I think I had the vac set to about half way (same CT 26 or 36) even though I also usually set the vac on low to avoid swirls & suction issues. It might be only in my mind but it seems a little more air movement would keep the pad cooler. I am guessing it just happened to be the type of finish they used on the door that gave you so many problems. If the finish gums up the pad I doubt there would be much difference from a mirka sander to a basic bosch, dewalt, rigid etc etc.   |
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 5, 2015 14:27:24 GMT -5
... I am guessing it just happened to be the type of finish they used on the door that gave you so many problems. If the finish gums up the pad I doubt there would be much difference from a mirka sander to a basic bosch, dewalt, rigid etc etc. Well there was no gumming up of the Abranet. A new sheet just stopped working after a few minutes. There was no visible sign on the sheet, and it even felt like an unused sheet, there was just no effect on the paint/wood anymore. I swapped the "used" sheet for a new one, it worked for a minute or two and bingo, no effect. Again no gumming, no visible signs, it looked and felt like new. I'm baffled. What I haven't tried yet is to test one of the "used" sheets on another surface. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 5, 2015 15:00:34 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if the pores are getting gummed up and the resin is melting then setting on the pads with the heat. Not sure of what to do to help
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Post by 7 on Oct 5, 2015 22:18:49 GMT -5
That's a head scratcher for sure. Really wierd that the pad looks AND feels the same. Did you say you tried other paper besides the abranet?
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 6, 2015 3:28:57 GMT -5
I'm just wondering if the pores are getting gummed up and the resin is melting then setting on the pads with the heat. Not sure of what to do to help Nope, no gumming up that I can see. I may not have thrown away the "used" sheets, I'll try to post a picture later to see if any of you pros can shed some light on this. BTW, I have been watching some of you video on YT. I am interested in a DD40 and your videos are a great help :-) Thanks ! |
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 6, 2015 3:35:43 GMT -5
That's a head scratcher for sure. Really wierd that the pad looks AND feels the same. Did you say you tried other paper besides the abranet? Yes I tried some bog standard 60 grit (at 0,5€ per box !) on a 14 year old Ryobi with no dust collection. I needed to use some elbow grease but it worked just as well if not better than the Deros/Abranet combo... at a fraction of the cost ! Speaking of elbow grease, just how much force should/can be used with the Deros ? I had understood that almost no force should be used and would even be bad. |
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Post by holmz on Oct 6, 2015 5:22:47 GMT -5
Is the abraidnet getting chewed up, or clogged up?
If the later, then maybe a lower speed for less heat??
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Post by wolfhound on Oct 6, 2015 13:01:21 GMT -5
Is the abraidnet getting chewed up, or clogged up? If the later, then maybe a lower speed for less heat?? Neither chewed nor clogged. As I mentioned earlier I have just taken some pics showing on the left a "used for a couple of minutes" disk, and on the right a brand new disk. There is some obvious wear on the used disk, but I don't think anyone could feel the difference in a blind test. As you can see, there is no clogging or anything like that. The really dark patches are were the disk is a bit wet (I had to take it out of the bin).  |
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Post by 7 on Oct 11, 2015 20:57:11 GMT -5
That's a head scratcher for sure. Really wierd that the pad looks AND feels the same. Did you say you tried other paper besides the abranet? Yes I tried some bog standard 60 grit (at 0,5€ per box !) on a 14 year old Ryobi with no dust collection. I needed to use some elbow grease but it worked just as well if not better than the Deros/Abranet combo... at a fraction of the cost ! Speaking of elbow grease, just how much force should/can be used with the Deros ? I had understood that almost no force should be used and would even be bad.I don't use a lot of pressure with it. I would if it wouldn't sand though cause I would get frustrated that I paid so much for a POS haha. |
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