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Post by henrun on Jun 18, 2017 10:42:15 GMT -5
That KSS50 catalogue confirms 58mm DOC. That would be 58mm off the rails I guess.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 18, 2017 11:09:26 GMT -5
Catalog show MT5518mbl and MT55cc both weighing the same = 4,5kg.
Do you think that is with or without battery?
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Post by mafelluser on Jun 18, 2017 12:15:13 GMT -5
Catalog show MT5518mbl and MT55cc both weighing the same = 4,5kg. Do you think that is with or without battery? Oh, good question. I'm wary of making unwise assumptions, but I struggle to see how they could make the battery version so much lighter than the mains version that the battery weight would bring it to the same total weight. I doubt there's much in the way of a heavy transformer, in the mains version, but I've been wrong before! ;-)
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 15:25:21 GMT -5
There's no link to read the specs in English?
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 15:26:42 GMT -5
Is the 50 brushless? does it have a brake? What's the total weight? Etc.
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 15:51:41 GMT -5
12.566 pounds 1.65" depth of cut on the rail at a 45. If this is the case I will sell my 60 at a bargain price.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 18, 2017 15:55:39 GMT -5
I used the iPad & Google translate camera app aimed at brochure on the screen, apparently it has something to do with 'owls'. (those Germans really love their owls) It must be some new kind of owl technology we haven't heard of yet.
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Post by henrun on Jun 18, 2017 16:04:16 GMT -5
Calidecks: yes, it is brushless. BL stands for brushless.
Depth of cut is with/without rail. Scheine = rail.
Battery version is 300g / 0,3kg more but does not state with or without battery. Weight is with rail in one column and without rail in another column.
My guess is a yes on the brake. Not 100% certain though.
On the KSS 40 they never mentioned the brake and kick back protection circuitry which I think is a grave oversight - both are great features.
All in all a very promising saw.
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 16:07:51 GMT -5
Looks as though it uses the same rail as the 60. The 770mm.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 18, 2017 16:30:10 GMT -5
Isn't their some law/requirement in Germany about saws have the electronic protection?
"...MAFELL has combined the benefits of enhanced active safety, improved handling and enhanced cut quality – without a riving knife. According to the manufacturer, active kick-back protection averts the danger of recoil when the blade enters the work more effectively than a riving knife. In addition, design measures introduced alongside standard EN 60745-2-5, which entered force in 2007, have increased the passive safety of saws that dispense with a riving knife..."
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Depth of cut got me thinking, (still thinking about making a MT55 bl 18 pseudo kss with F-wa modded on to a f-80) and thought how the bosch 165 blade fits the MT55. 45º cut on MT is 40.5 so with the added 1.5 mm of the 165 blade it should cut close to 1.65 in as well.
Looked on bosch site for a batt version of track saw but nothing yet. What I did find was a belt to hold battery to make some tools lighter to hold (or power a heated vest), a wireless charger battery attachment and a wired battery attachment to power your phone, tablets, laptops.
*edit - sorry belts been out for a while and the massive 36v battery it holds looks like it could break your back.
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Post by huntsgemein on Jun 18, 2017 18:30:46 GMT -5
Don't forget also that massive Bosch akkumulator pack with built in inverter that will recharge batteries all day long. One overnight charge and it will power all tools (including 220/240v) all day. They're even talking about powering 2kw. jackhammers for extended runtimes too in the absence of mains power.
I suspect this is yet another development of those home akkumulators that extend the generation and use capacities of domestic solar and wind arrays well beyond the actual hours of sunlight. At Euro 1000+ it'll be a long time before I'm in the market 'though! What I particularly like about the Bosch version is that it's all self-contained and at least (semi) portable. You can now run just about any battery or mains tool required in the worksite without any access to mains electricity at all!
Bosch are spending literally billions on akku development. Wisely so, in my opinion. There's crossover benefits from this R&D expenditure in domestic, commercial, construction, industrial and transport & logistics: including power tools too I suppose. Whilst Bobbie Bosch might actually seem to be laggards in power tool development, I guess you don't get to be the world's no. 1 without this type of forward thinking.
So, in actual fact Bosch have already had a defacto cordless tracksaw for the best part of a year now. And a jackhammer, and a cordless kettle, sandwich toaster, pressure washer, cement mixer et. al.
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Post by huntsgemein on Jun 18, 2017 18:35:57 GMT -5
There's no link to read the specs in English? I don't understand. Specs are specs aren't they? Is a millimeter any different in German or Swahili? How can you translate numbers into a different language, other than perhaps into something like Roman Numerals or the like? Those SI units used are common to the whole civilised world. Thankfully, numeracy and mathematics are universal, and transcend more primitive communication media like language.
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Post by mafelluser on Jun 18, 2017 18:45:01 GMT -5
At the time of this typing, the latest 'News' entry on Mafell's German-language homepage is 29.05.2017
Switch the language to English, and the latest entry is 25.01.2016.
That tells you just about all you need to know, regarding Mafell's attitude towards their foreign customers.
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 20:22:25 GMT -5
There's no link to read the specs in English? I don't understand. Specs are specs aren't they? Is a millimeter any different in German or Swahili? How can you translate numbers into a different language, other than perhaps into something like Roman Numerals or the like? Those SI units used are common to the whole civilised world. Thankfully, numeracy and mathematics are universal, and transcend more primitive communication media like language. When you get a work that you don't understand with a number next to it......:whistling
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Post by calidecks on Jun 18, 2017 20:25:19 GMT -5
"Scheine" was useless to me. Until someone was kind enough to translate for me.
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