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Post by holmz on Jan 14, 2016 16:45:59 GMT -5
Do people use them still?
There is porter cable which seems to be well renowned as is the Makita.
The festool BS105 is not cheap but look good.
Even Mafell has a ZUB110.
Then there is also Metabo.
Or do people just attack it all with an RO sander?
I pawed a RO150 a few days ago on a band sawn slab. It seemed to not want to make the surface flat, but took off material quickly.
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Post by lincoln on Jan 14, 2016 17:00:30 GMT -5
Pretty sure the Festool is a copy of an AEG sander - possibly made by them, as well? I like the idea of the 'frame' for the Festool belt sanders, for flat sanding. The festool's are crazy money. CRAZY.
We have a couple of Makita's at work, and they do the job. Pretty robust, too.
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Post by holmz on Jan 14, 2016 19:16:43 GMT -5
That 1010 W number is identical. How does a 200$ saw go to 1000 $ ?
(Looks for a green rattle-can... 800 $ paint)
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Post by GhostFist on Feb 24, 2016 5:20:31 GMT -5
Just picked up a mirka deros 6". Freaking love it in my initial tests!
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Feb 24, 2016 7:51:24 GMT -5
Great, I've been considering one. What paper are you using? Be sure to let us know what you think after you've had a chance to work it for awhile.
John
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Post by 7 on Feb 25, 2016 22:48:49 GMT -5
I have had the mirka ceros for a long time and the deros 5" for quite a while. Favorite sanders by far. Especially the deros because it doesn't have the transformer like the ceros.
On the belt sander topic- I have a porter cable one. Don't use it much but it is alright, nothing special.
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Post by GhostFist on Feb 27, 2016 9:44:51 GMT -5
Still haven't put a proper beating on the deros,but have been playing with the abranet meshes. You can bring something up to an extremely smooth finish really fast. Is it too much for me to say the deros makes sanding fun? This topic should be about belt sanders though.My fault
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Post by holmz on Feb 27, 2016 11:14:15 GMT -5
I like my 115e and I got the deros to see what all the fuss is about. It is also very good.
The Festool RAS looks like it could be OK, but there is a better chance of a flat surface with the large belt (I think).
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Feb 27, 2016 11:19:16 GMT -5
I like my 115e and I got the deros to see what all the fuss is about. It is also very good. The Festool RAS looks like it could be OK, but there is a better chance of a flat surface with the large belt (I think). It would be hard to get a flat surface with a RAS - great slow speed sanding/grinding, but the head is way too small. I use it to shape wood and sand metal but would never attempt to flatten anything with it. |
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Post by jozsefkozma on Feb 27, 2016 13:15:55 GMT -5
I mostly use my rotex 150 to flatten and am very happy with results
The 24" Bosh belt sander with frame use to do
a great job before it was stolen, but to be honest
I don't miss it much
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Post by holmz on Feb 27, 2016 15:16:01 GMT -5
I mostly use my rotex 150 to flatten and am very happy with results The 24" Bosh belt sander with frame use to do a great job before it was stolen, but to be honest I don't miss it much You need a guard dog. |
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Post by huntsgemein on Sept 22, 2016 2:45:44 GMT -5
More speculation. Reich made a fairly high proportion of Germany's belt sanders (well their 533 x 75mm ones anyway) for years. They still do, but under Festo's ownership these days.
Apart from their own brand - Holz Her - they manufactured for AEG/Atlas Copco/Milwaukee, Metabo/Wurth & licensed their basic design to B&D & Scintilla (Bosch). In fact, the same basic design has been produced continuously for some 40 years with little if any variation other than colour. There's also a unique scaled up Holz Her/Festo version of 620 x 105mm too, but this was never sold as anybody else's or licenced for manufacture elsewhere.
I have 3 sanders: the oldest, a Swiss Scintilla Bosch 533 x 73 in single speed 600w is still going after some 34 years, & was one of my first power tool purchases. Like granddad's axe it's had a few new drive belts & a couple of sets of brushes. Still an excellent tool, but @ a mere 600w a bit gutless for heavier grits like 24 or 36 for rapid abrasion. It must have sanded, smoothed and stripped literally acres of substrate in this time. I once sanded an entire room with this one: home milled, dried dressed & moulded wattle V/J panelling and T&G flooring. Ridiculous really: messy, noisy, dusty and downright unsafe. But it was my first home, and I was young, stupid & bullet-proof, plus too broke and stingy to seek a better alternative. Only the faces, of course, the vees were sanded by hand with a cork block.
Better again is Metabo's now defunct BA E 1075, which is now sold for stupid prices as a Festo, or more reasonably as second hand versions of one of the badge engineered alternatives. Unique to the Metabo & Wurth variants is Metabo's own tool-free removable front handle, from a random orbit sander I think, which is fantastic for closer access to corners, or when mounted on top to change the overall ergos to better suit safe vertical and overhead work. The other brands (now only Festo) use a rather crappy blobby fixed front handle that gets pretty slippery when sweaty. Probably the most versatile sander, the thousand and a bit watts & variable speed can drive even the coursest grits in the heaviest hardwood, the dust pickup works a bit better with a vac attached, and the sanding frame is available for all (Reich made) variants to give a surprisingly delicate level of finesse when sanding even the most sensitive of substrates.
The biggest sander is a big Festo 620 x 105mm 1400w monster, which has a similar footprint to the others, only scaled up a bit. A bit too big, too heavy, too powerful and maybe a bit unweildy overall in its ergonomics to be a contender in my opinion. The Festo/Metabo/AEG/Atlas/Holz Her/Milwaukee/Wurth clones hit the sweet spot in my opinion.
But boy oh boy, will the big'un abrade! With 1400w, its still (relatively) controllable in all but the heaviest (say 24 grit) going, and probably ideal for initial new floor sanding to level and maybe rough sanding air dried slabs to level, whilst still having the finesse, thanks to the amazing sanding frames, for fine preliminary finishing work. It also comprehensively out-abrades the 150mm Rotex, even in Rotary mode. I modified mine to take the more commonly available local hardware store sizes of belts.
Not my most used tools, but where applicable there's no real substitute.
But never, ever, buy a NEW AEG/Metabo 1000w belt sander. They might look pretty, with their mag wheels and curvaceous leading edges, but I've heard nothing but a litany of woes regarding their poor performance & extraordinary short lifespan, often as low as 20 minutes for some users! You have been warned!
If you, as I do, despise the "price nazi's" anticompetitive practises, then there's high quality value for money alternatives such as the Swiss-made Bosch Blue 75mm sander or an excellent 1200w heavy duty Japan-made Makita 100 x 610mm available in the larger size which is a bit of a tradies' choice in professional grade machines.
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Post by holmz on Sept 22, 2016 4:09:25 GMT -5
I looked for many of those and found nothing but brushes.
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Post by reflector on Sept 22, 2016 19:02:18 GMT -5
Well now I know what happened to the old Bosch 1274DVS belt sander, it looks like the the Metabo BA E 1075 among the other Reich sanders... Bosch doesn't have any parts available for it in the US but the 220V version seems to be sold worldwide still. Perhaps a legal ruling or something made some specific parts unavailable (Last I heard the armature was one of the big parts you couldn't get for it in 110V...)
Thanks for the information. I always wondered why Bosch had those available overseas but not the US. I'll just avoid making any remarks about green koolaid aside from this mention.
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