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Post by Red on Jul 25, 2015 14:53:00 GMT -5
Click on the Messages link at the top of this page, Ross (under the photo of the KSS80Ec/370) ...
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Post by jalvis on Jul 25, 2015 20:43:19 GMT -5
Barr slicks in the USA are $140-170 which is reasonable in my eye. How much more in the UK?
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Post by ross on Jul 26, 2015 13:20:42 GMT -5
Barr slicks in the USA are $140-170 which is reasonable in my eye. How much more in the UK? On the sites I've found, the Barr framing chisels are roughly US$200 and the slicks US$214-250. As this is the only framing job I'm doing at the moment, I'd need to know I'd be doing more to lay out that sort of money. Due to other purchases this past 2 months my wallet says I can't buy anything for a while! |
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Post by ohan on Jul 26, 2015 13:55:42 GMT -5
You just don't know how much restraint I'm applying to not buy more chisels!!!! So far my standard Koyamaichi bench chisel is doing fine in 5" deep mortices (okay, I may pinch a finger now and again), but the paring chisel isn't any where near a slick in performance. ToolsfromJapan are easy to get to the UK but no-one else is and Stu seems not to be doing the big Nomis. I've just choked at looking at a Barr slick's price here in the UK and wince at the Sorby's. Yeah, if you're looking for a slick's mass to power through hardwood end grain, your paring chisel (usu nomi) is probably too small. I have a 48mm Ouchi usu nomi, and while it does a good job on our local DF (which is pretty tough, sticky, and stringy) I'd hesitate to tackle oak with it. Bearing in mind that most if not all Japanese framing is softwood, you might want to try a larger size, tsuki nomi. These are every bit as long and massive as Western slicks. They still might need some modification (bevel angle) to work like you want them to in hardwood, though. I've usually seen these sold boxed in pairs, for example, 24mm and 48mm. Stu has individual ones up to 60mm in width. They're not cheap. Here's the obligatory size comparison photo. Japan-tool has several examples with great photos, this one gives you a good sense of the scale, while this one actually has an inch tape measure for reference. Dig the multiple hollows! |
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Post by ross on Jul 27, 2015 13:09:54 GMT -5
You just don't know how much restraint I'm applying to not buy more chisels!!!! So far my standard Koyamaichi bench chisel is doing fine in 5" deep mortices (okay, I may pinch a finger now and again), but the paring chisel isn't any where near a slick in performance. ToolsfromJapan are easy to get to the UK but no-one else is and Stu seems not to be doing the big Nomis. I've just choked at looking at a Barr slick's price here in the UK and wince at the Sorby's. Yeah, if you're looking for a slick's mass to power through hardwood end grain, your paring chisel (usu nomi) is probably too small. You can say that again, particularly when after much careful assessing you assess the bit with all the knots is going to be the tenon!! Really must get new batteries for my specs! |
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Post by Red on Jul 28, 2015 15:11:42 GMT -5
You can say that again, particularly when after much careful assessing you assess the bit with all the knots is going to be the tenon!! Really must get new batteries for my specs!
By the way, did you get my last message, Ross? |
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Post by ross on Aug 1, 2015 4:00:44 GMT -5
Hmm, just noticed I stuck this in the other thread. The end is nearly in sight!! Marked out the end of the tie beam for bridle joints, scratched head a lot, applied as many saws as possible and found a Japanese rip saw was the best. I actually think if I had a western rip saw this would have been better;  Checked to see if the waste would come out quickly with a chisel;  Decided a bit of drillification would help;  ...and finally done, do x 2;  ..and here we have 5' of 6"x2" held up by friction, may need to ease the joint a touch;  I will return in a bit to show you finished job. |
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Post by Red on Aug 1, 2015 12:19:08 GMT -5
Having that rafter held in place by friction alone is a pretty good sign in mind, mate. If you have enough "meat" in your tie beam, this should bode very well for your truss in the end.
If it's easy enough to remove, how about a photo of the rafter, Ross?
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Post by ohan on Aug 5, 2015 3:55:10 GMT -5
I spoke with the dealer I like on eBay, Junji Sugita (username: yusui) and he informs me that "tataki" means "striking". So he lists ANY chisel with a metal hoop as a tataki nomi. In other words, even the Oire nomi he considers to be a type of tataki nomi. This may be kind of a literal translation, as most dealers (in the West, anyway) equate "tataki" with larger work - perhaps equivalent to the old "firmer" chisels in the Western tradition. If in doubt, I would defer to the links posted previously for general guidelines to size. Luckily most auctions/dealers will post OAL in descriptions. In any case, this is my cue to leave the Japanese translations to those who actually speak Japanese.  |
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Post by Red on Aug 5, 2015 11:28:29 GMT -5
 I've definitely seen the chisel shown on the far right used by a master traditional timber framer before. It sticks in mind because he referred to my Barr Quarton (BQ) chisels as "shovels." In other words, he highly recommended the type you've identified as "Oire nomi." He cut joints into northern Red Oak, nearly exclusively, so I'd say that this type of chisel definitely has a place atop any jointer's timber horses or trestle ponies. |
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Post by holmz on Aug 6, 2015 8:20:43 GMT -5
I ordered a couple of chisels from Latvia.
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Post by Red on Aug 6, 2015 11:46:11 GMT -5
I ordered a couple of chisels from Latvia. |
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Post by holmz on Aug 6, 2015 16:55:32 GMT -5
Neeman... A Bisaque and a chisel. <edit> Well my geography sucks... It was Estonia, not Latvia. I ordered a couple of chisels from Latvia. Well I got a Bisaiguë , mostly because people tell me I am not too slick.   |
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Post by Red on Aug 7, 2015 23:28:32 GMT -5
I"m not sure exactly how that's used, Holmz, but, if it doesn't work out for timber framing, you're a lock to play Chingachgook in the next film about him.
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Post by holmz on Aug 8, 2015 5:44:13 GMT -5
I"m not sure exactly how that's used, Holmz, but, if it doesn't work out for timber framing, you're a lock to play Chingachgook in the next film about him. Interesting you should say that. I cooked a chicken curry a week and half ago, using a new type of curry. I served it on wild rice. The Mrs said, "I have never heard of a curry on wild rice". I said,"It is my Indian heritige". Later... The mrs asked 'what I was watching...' She said that looks lovely, I wouldn't mind one of those. I admit I was a bit surprised, as she is not much of a wood worker.. A while later I said, "I ordered that tool." She said, "What tool?" I said, "the one in the video". She said, "Was he using a tool?"  |
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