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Post by holmz on Jun 19, 2015 23:33:32 GMT -5
I'll have see ulif there are dimensions in the books for the ponies. Are they shorter than saw horses?
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Post by Red on Jun 19, 2015 23:42:53 GMT -5
I'm thinking about starting a novice TF thread that will cover building the ponies depicted herein. As they include shouldered joinery (with housings) and "through" joinery, Holmz, they would make a great starter project for beginners interested in the craft.
If you want more information about the ponies sooner, on the other hand, I could always send you some notes.
By the way, they can be adjusted to suit anyone's needs -- it's a beautiful thing 
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Post by holmz on Jun 20, 2015 0:45:46 GMT -5
Waiting a bit is fine.
We were at the Mrs old office (which is still running) and removed some lights and reinstalled the old ones.
Just had some left over fish I made last night, followed by the afternoon latte.
We are headed back to take donw signs and work on the other stuff.
The rails are still not here from QLD and I got an email an hour ago asking of my satisfaction level.
I have the plans 90% ready for the new office wall.
I was relying on a saw, router, router bits, etc.
The router bits I ordered off of ebay and they shipped on Tuesday so shold be here Monday.
The good set of 8-mm bits is coming from Tobias, who shipped Friday (two weeks+ at least)
Here is the fish instructions...
(I scored the whole (king) fish to the bone making plunge cuts about every 30-40 mm.
The rubbed in ginger and New Mexican chile into the plunge cuts and put some mirin on it along with some Chinese 5-spice. Essentially pressure treating it.
Put on some wild rice.
After ~45 minues, I made a sauce out of rice wine, sugar, sashimi sauce, and avacado oil, which was used as a finishing stain.
Then I steamed the fish and did some shitaki, re capsicum (bell pepper) and baby carrots.
Served it all on a sheeting product of sushi seaweed (nori)..)
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Post by Red on Jun 20, 2015 0:57:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure about the "rails" you're referring to, Holmz, but one thing's for damn sure: that fish [reads] wonderful!
I got home late and had friggin' hot dogs! ... and, yes, the 5-spice would automatically get your kingfish a grade stamp with "PT" on it.
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Post by holmz on Jun 20, 2015 1:33:50 GMT -5
The local lumber place has merenti, and white tassy oak.
There were 4 pieces if jarrah, but now only two (mr having taken the other two)
There are also 3 pieces of walnut that are ~2 or 2-1/2 by ~7" and feet long.
I will chase up the fellow across the road to see if there are some glue lam remnants.
But I am wondering if the walnut might work??? They usually sell the odd ball stuff reasonably.
There was a French saw horse that looked somewhat more challenging.
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Post by Red on Jun 20, 2015 1:55:08 GMT -5
The local lumber place has merenti, and white tassy oak. There were 4 pieces if jarrah, but now only two (mr having taken the other two) There are also 3 pieces of walnut that are ~2 or 2-1/2 by ~7" and feet long. I will chase up the fellow across the road to see if there are some glue lam remnants. But I am wondering if the walnut might work??? They usually sell the odd ball stuff reasonably. There was a French saw horse that looked somewhat more challenging.
If you're asking about materials for the trestle pony project, the smallest timbers that I would recommend for that project would measure 4" x 6" in outer dimension (for the trestle posts) ... and Walnut would be very hard to cut joinery into.
The idea of starting out with a trestle ponies is to see a variety of TF methodology in practice. They're also integral to working with large timbers, so there's a real purpose behind the project. |
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Post by holmz on Jun 20, 2015 3:07:07 GMT -5
Hi Red, Railroad ties would work, but they are full of creosote, sand, nails, pegs. Not sure I can find glu-lam remnants, but I'll try. The French horses look like the use smaller pieces, so maybe that would work with the Walnut? This looks like it might work: www.historicalcarpentry.com/french-trestles---treteaux.htmlThis looks like a bit more of a challenge: thecarpentryway.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/treteau-xxviii.htmlI would still be banging in mortice and cuttting the tenons, just a bit more delicate sized. Does this seem reasonable? Or do I need to chase up some larger wood? The fact that I keep misspelling pieces as the horoscope 'piecies' made me recall the fish. |
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Post by Red on Jun 20, 2015 12:32:05 GMT -5
There are some interesting horses in those links, Holmz, but they look difficult to build and, more importantly they have nothing to do with the basics of traditional TF.
The dimensions that you're after are 4 x 6 and 6 x 6 (in inches). Are these dimensions available in the "box stores" in Oz?
The ponies shown in the thread are based on solid softwood (SYP). As they're a good novice level project, the joinery is relatively easy to cut. In other words, the wood itself is much easier on your tools than a hardwood, like Walnut, would be.
By the way, I've never heard of anyone cutting joinery into engineered wood (i.e., glulam). Traditional TF is normally practiced on solid timbers with natural grains. I'm not even sure how traditional TF hand tools would work in glulam.
Have a good one ...
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Jun 20, 2015 13:24:20 GMT -5
RedOak,
Thanks for taking time to respond. I can't imagine doing percision joinery with most of the PT SYP I've seen.
What is your preferred species? I have no TF or P&B experience, I have however worked on a few >200 year old TF structures. One was built circ. 1760 of oak. The frame was incredibly hard, (this was in the days before nail guns were common) we gave up on hand nailing and pre drilled and screwed. Another frame was Walnut, I was in awe of the timbers, and dumbstruck over how large the trees must have been.
John
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Post by Red on Jun 20, 2015 22:13:41 GMT -5
RedOak, Thanks for taking time to respond. I can't imagine doing percision joinery with most of the PT SYP I've seen. What is your preferred species? I have no TF or P&B experience, I have however worked on a few >200 year old TF structures. One was built circ. 1760 of oak. The frame was incredibly hard, (this was in the days before nail guns were common) we gave up on hand nailing and pre drilled and screwed. Another frame was Walnut, I was in awe of the timbers, and dumbstruck over how large the trees must have been. John
... and, yes, I've seen some timbers -- hardwood and softwood -- that made me stop dead in my tracks. I've also dreamt about what it must have been like to harvest saw logs from N. American first growth trees ...
In the end, though ... no tree is exactly the same, so, it stands to reason that, no frame is exactly the same. This is but one of the things about traditional TF that keeps your chisels sharp.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Jun 21, 2015 9:24:19 GMT -5
Red,
I love the aroma of EWP being milled (oak, not so much) your frames must smell delicious.
Are you familiar with Berkshire Products in Sheffield? They have an amazing selection of slabs. When I lived in the Boston area we would occasionally visit them in search of live edge stock.
John
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Post by Red on Jun 21, 2015 13:31:30 GMT -5
We mill sawlogs here, John, so I'm very familiar with the various aromas and the beautiful grains exhibited by certain tree species. You should see, for example, what a green Eastern Hemlock Spruce (EHS) looks like when freshly milled. It damn near looks as good as Black Cherry.
I know where Sheffield is, John, but I'm not familiar with the business you mentioned.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Jun 22, 2015 13:53:53 GMT -5
Given that you have a wood lot and a sawmill I'm not surprised you're not familiar with Berkshire Products. They're primarily in the slab and burl business, both domestic and exotic. WWW.berkshireproducts.com |
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Post by Red on Jun 22, 2015 14:08:06 GMT -5
Yeah, John, between the trees and the construction stuff -- and maintaining & repairing our equipment -- we have our heads buried up our [you know whats] up on the mountain most of the time.
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Post by Red on Jun 22, 2015 14:39:20 GMT -5
Given that you have a wood lot and a sawmill I'm not surprised you're not familiar with Berkshire Products. They're primarily in the slab and burl business, both domestic and exotic. WWW.berkshireproducts.com
If I recall correctly, the TV folks were creating a "dream condo" in Boston ... or something like that. I'm just an old redneck from the cypress swamps, however, so my memory for yuppie TV shows will never be very sharp.  |
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