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Post by noeyedear on Apr 6, 2017 13:48:11 GMT -5
The more tools I buy the better the kss300 is. So I bought a Festool mft and a Bosch plunge saw thinking it would add versatility to my KS. True I can cut thicker wood but what a phaf setting up the mft is. It is portable but really needs wheels as it's heavy and mostly awkward to move around.The main advantage I find is cutting things that are too small to nudge the kss up to. Buying again I would go for a mitre saw and the Kss60, plus a couple of cheap workmates, add in a P1CC jigsaw and I can't think of much I do renovating my house I couldn't tackle. I find the mft a bit clumsy, maybe if I had a workshop and had it set up all the time I would like it more, but to setup and take down then put away is often not worth the effort when I can setup a workmate and use the KSS. Today I also used a Makita jigsaw up against a straight edge to make some angled cuts in short timber, it didn't get a vertical cut along the length. A mitre saw would of been better or the Mafell Jigsaw. Seriously a way to measure an angle, set the KSS to desired angle then cut is so easy quick and simple I wonder why everyone isn't doing it. I've been cutting Oak skirting today so it isn't going to be painted, just varnished, it's an old house square isn't an option in any direction, Kss bang on any angle I set. One problem though I wish it would cut over the 45degrees say 47, then I do need the Bosch and MFT.
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Post by calidecks on Apr 7, 2017 13:59:01 GMT -5
Although I don't have the 300 I've got the 40 it has made working fun again. Seems like new tools, especially combined with newer technology breathes new life in my work. That 60 is a great tool as well.
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Post by ohan on Apr 7, 2017 15:39:26 GMT -5
If you had to do it all again, and were eventually going to get both.. which would you have gotten first, the 60 or the 40?
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Post by calidecks on Apr 7, 2017 22:37:16 GMT -5
If you had to do it all again, and were eventually going to get both.. which would you have gotten first, the 60 or the 40? The 40 without a doubt. If I could only get one or the other, it'd be the 40. It's just a great peice of engineering.
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Post by noeyedear on Apr 8, 2017 4:01:47 GMT -5
funny that I would go for the 60 with a battery to compliment the 300 I have. I am not working professionally so I appreciate a professionals view could be different . The 300 would be capable of most of the work I do, the 60 for the rest plus a couple of Bosch tracks. I don't have anywhere to work inside so I like stuff that folds down and easy to move.
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Post by calidecks on Apr 8, 2017 12:07:02 GMT -5
funny that I would go for the 60 with a battery to compliment the 300 I have. I am not working professionally so I appreciate a professionals view could be different . The 300 would be capable of most of the work I do, the 60 for the rest plus a couple of Bosch tracks. I don't have anywhere to work inside so I like stuff that folds down and easy to move. The 60 36b is a great saw, there are a couple disappointing features. One it doesn't have a brushless motor, two it doesn't have a brake. It's also very heavy. However I knew this when I bought it. The 40 is just too much of a precision saw to be using for framing, imo. The 60 will take that burden off the 40. So it's my opinion they both compliment each other as a "team". :laughing:
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Post by mafelluser on May 25, 2017 12:54:26 GMT -5
As a new MT55CC owner, am I the only one who views the Mafell saw range with a little bemusement?
I love the MT55CC, but when I look at, for example, the KSS 300, of course I can see how it differs to the MT55CC (I love the KSS 300 track that can be folded away within the systainer), but it seems, to my eyes, that there is an awful lot of overlap between the two models, for second-fix and other purposes.
That's not a criticism of Mafell, per se, but... I dunno, it does make me ponder whether they really couldn't have combined more of the functionality in their range, to create fewer models whilst satisfying the same functionality requirements of various trades.
Thoughts..? :-)
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Post by mafelluser on May 25, 2017 14:39:00 GMT -5
Today I also used a Makita jigsaw up against a straight edge to make some angled cuts in short timber, it didn't get a vertical cut along the length. Obviously, a circular saw will yield a superior result to a jigsaw, for straight, vertical cuts in timber, but, for occasions when you find yourself using a jigsaw for straight (and hopefully vertical!) cuts, I recommend you try using a Bosch T234X jigsaw blade (or the DeWalt DT2057 version, which is 100% identical to the Bosch T234X). It isn't perfect, but it does very well, relatively-speaking. Alternatively, you might consider using something different, from Mafell http://instagr.am/p/BHuwMHNAItu http://instagr.am/p/BH4WU7OA7LQ (click on above pic, for video playback)
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Post by mattj on May 25, 2017 17:13:06 GMT -5
...it does make me ponder whether they really couldn't have combined more of the functionality in their range, to create fewer models whilst satisfying the same functionality requirements of various trades. Thoughts..? :-) I'm sure their reasons are complicated... But it seems very German to me. They really like to offer a plethora of subtly different options for everything (at least judging by my recent tool purchases). In a way its nice because when you know what you want you can dial in your purchase to suit very specific needs. But it makes it hard to determine exactly what you want until you get some experience with the thing you're buying.
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Post by mafelluser on May 25, 2017 17:24:09 GMT -5
...it does make me ponder whether they really couldn't have combined more of the functionality in their range, to create fewer models whilst satisfying the same functionality requirements of various trades. Thoughts..? :-) I'm sure their reasons are complicated... But it seems very German to me. They really like to offer a plethora of subtly different options for everything (at least judging by my recent tool purchases). In a way its nice because when you know what you want you can dial in your purchase to suit very specific needs. But it makes it hard to determine exactly what you want until you get some experience with the thing you're buying.
(bold/italic emphasis added by me)
Well-put, and I agree.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 26, 2017 10:18:08 GMT -5
I do not think that there is as much overlap with these saws. Yes, they can all cut wood. But the MT excels at sheet goods and cuts in wood that support the guide rail. The KSS excels at solid wood and 2x and the crosscut track that attaches to the saw makes cross cutting and angle cuts from the pile a breeze. The KSS saws are MUCH easier to use off the rail and I actually prefer most rips this way with the roller edge guide. The plunge mechanism is different and the quality of cut is different.I think the KSS swas are the more versatile machines as they can be used on and off the rails, have the cross cut track and can cut just about anything. DC is not going to be as good and the cut quality, while very good, is not going to be the same quality in sheet goods as a track saw.
I think most overlap comes between KSS models...depth of cut and weight is the main difference between the models and that is where things get tricky. I have the 80 and really want a smaller saw to compliment it. I think that the 50 might be the ideal machine, but the 40 also seems like a good fit for something smaller. Had the 60 been out when I got the 80 I might have gone that route, but the 80 is such an awesome tool.
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