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Post by jonathan on Jan 5, 2014 13:29:04 GMT -5
 no need for further words
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Post by christoph on Jan 5, 2014 14:03:30 GMT -5
Such a great vid, thanks so much for that. Very stylish and good focus, done with a DSLR? Only the backround music gets my stress level up a little ;-) At the end i only wanted 2 things: SEE IT IN ACTION and one of it in my workshop  EDIT: did a few hundred cuts with the Erica 85 the last days and nearly 1000 dowel-holes with the DD40p and i can't say how much i love those Mafell tools, can't imagine anything better! |
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Post by jalvis on Jan 5, 2014 14:10:43 GMT -5
Thats great!
Its obvious you have experience with both Festool and Mafell tools. Thank you.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 5, 2014 17:41:55 GMT -5
Excellent review!! I liked the overview on blade changes, use of the parallel fence, and general functionality of the various knobs and levers.
Something I've been a bit curious about the KSS saws, coming from a place where I'm familiar with the plunge-cutting track saws (I'm currently using a TS-75 and want to shift to Mafell), is what is the transition like going to the parallel plunge action of the KSS design?
One other topic to be discussed would be, is there much blade deflection during cuts?
Where does this saw REALLY shine, and in what areas is it not well suited?
Finally, and of course this will vary depending on what you're doing, is this saw particularly complementary to another saw? For instance, to cover 95% of a guys needs, assuming this saw is covering the high-end of your cutting needs, what do you use to cover your smaller cutting tasks?
Thanks again for putting in the time to put this video together!!
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 5, 2014 18:07:56 GMT -5
Keep in mind I only own the kss 300 not the monster 80 but I have to say, for actual plunging, I prefer the action of the mt55 or festool's variety. As a side note I've also used dewalt's track saw which uses a unique pivoting system and didn't like that one. For the 300 I find plunging easier with the riving knife removed, which is easy to do. A riving knife isn't really necessary using a track for a plunge cut. I just find a slight fight with the spring on the retractable knife. With the 80 it may not be an issue but Woodie is the man to answer that.
The parallel rise and fall system on the KSS and other mafell saws though is great for trenching cuts and use as a general saw. Just my two bits
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 5, 2014 18:39:53 GMT -5
The trick with the mafell twin guide plunge saws is to push slightly forward as you plunge but as Woodie says the mt55 and ts55 are slightly easier
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Post by 7 on Jan 5, 2014 20:21:39 GMT -5
Woodie- Thanks for the video, very well done. Needless to say but I'll say it anyway- that's a really cool saw. It is interesting how different the functions & levers are from my KSS300. I wish they made the max depth just a couple mm more so it could be used to gang cut 2xs edgewise for mass cutting framing.
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Post by woodie on Jan 6, 2014 12:38:37 GMT -5
Thanks for all the positive feedback! It is a bit nerve racking posting a video like this, after seeing all the great ones out there. I had hoped to get a bit more creative with different camera angles... I guess I'll do that on the next one  . Thanks! I did shoot this with a DSLR. I shot it with a shallower depth of field, so I had to be careful when moving the saw around to keep from taking too much of it out of focus. The background music was an accidental addition. I had the music turned down really low, it wasn't until I started editing the video that I noticed how well the mic picked it up. At some point a blower kicks on too. It's not a loud blower but in the video it sounds like I'm standing next to a blow torch. |
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Post by jalvis on Jan 6, 2014 12:44:14 GMT -5
I think the same way about videos but then I remind myself that I'm a woodworker. The only thing I really would like to have is a Microphone system so the voice is clear on the video. Maybe I can figure out how to do "voice over" but that seems like even more difficult to learn then to do one take and post.
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 6, 2014 12:49:14 GMT -5
Woodie I like your videos. No faff introductions, straight to the point, clear and highly detailed. i know there are guys out there who go all out with home production screen wipes, picture in picture, fancy editing and the like but for me, I'm out for education not entertainment so these short, highly informative overviews i feel are the ultimate format. I also like the ones where no one is talking and just using the tools, sometimes actions speak louder than words. Anyway, great vid!
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Post by woodie on Jan 6, 2014 13:07:39 GMT -5
Something I've been a bit curious about the KSS saws, coming from a place where I'm familiar with the plunge-cutting track saws (I'm currently using a TS-75 and want to shift to Mafell), is what is the transition like going to the parallel plunge action of the KSS design? It feels a bit awkward at first but it becomes more natural the more you use the saw. When breaking down sheet goods I typically plunged my TS75 before starting my cut. With the KSS you just set your depth ahead of time and make the cut. If you do need to plunge midway into a work piece I find the KSS is incredibly stable. When doing these cuts with my TS75 I always used Festool's anti-kickback stop (I tried once without and nearly destroyed my guide rail). I don't know if it's the power of the KSS80 or the added precision of two vertical guides but I haven't had this saw give even a hint of kickback when plunge cutting. |
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 6, 2014 13:12:26 GMT -5
Interesting, the 300 can kick when plunging, again thats why I remove the riving knife. It's the light weight of that saw and track that fights against the spring for the knife. the 80 is a beast and it doesn't look like much can stop it
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Post by woodie on Jan 6, 2014 13:25:37 GMT -5
One other topic to be discussed would be, is there much blade deflection during cuts? Where does this saw REALLY shine, and in what areas is it not well suited? Finally, and of course this will vary depending on what you're doing, is this saw particularly complementary to another saw? For instance, to cover 95% of a guys needs, assuming this saw is covering the high-end of your cutting needs, what do you use to cover your smaller cutting tasks? I meant to break my response down with multiple quote bubbles for each question but I can't figure out how to do it, so I guess it's multiple posts... Hey, this will help get my post count up anyway  I haven't noticed any signs of blade deflection with this saw. I would say, as track saws go, the MT55cc complements it really well. I originally bought the the KSS80 thinking it could be my "one" track saw, as my TS75 was. It really isn't that much heavier (2.4lbs) but with the weight and size difference it just becomes too cumbersome when breaking down several sheets of plywood. The MT55 is just a dream to use for this. |
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Post by woodie on Jan 6, 2014 13:42:05 GMT -5
Interesting, the 300 can kick when plunging, again thats why I remove the riving knife. It's the light weight of that saw and track that fights against the spring for the knife. the 80 is a beast and it doesn't look like much can stop it I was really nervous doing my first plunge with this saw, given the blade size and motor. In Mafell's marketing video they make it look so effortless. My first attempt wasn't pretty, trying to figure out where to put my hands while pressing the plunge release, all the while holding onto the saw and trigger with a death grip. Since then my technique has improved a bit |
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Post by woodie on Jan 6, 2014 13:57:34 GMT -5
I think the same way about videos but then I remind myself that I'm a woodworker. The only thing I really would like to have is a Microphone system so the voice is clear on the video. Maybe I can figure out how to do "voice over" but that seems like even more difficult to learn then to do one take and post. Yeah, this was shot with the built in mic. My last DSLR had a horrible mic, this one seems to be better but I'd love to try an external one. I'm with you in that I'd rather not spend a ton of time in post, so syncing an external recording wouldn't be my first choice. |
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