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Post by holmz on Jul 21, 2015 15:48:24 GMT -5
I'm probably going to go the transformer route when taking it out of the shop and then have a dedicated spot for it wth an outlet when I'm in the shop (which doesn't exist yet ?). I'm getting kicked out of our basement to make way for a kids playroom now that my second one is on the way. I have a 5hp 12" saw right now but I'm glad to give it up in return for something mobile anyway. Again Tobias has been seriously great to work with and is making this whole confusing process (to me) very easy. Once he gets the shipping quote back I'll be ordering up the Erika 85 with sliding table and router attachment which has me pretty psyched! You will probably want a 230v European outlet wired into your shed, so that the machine goes into that or the transformer...
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Jul 22, 2015 6:49:12 GMT -5
Rizzoa13
Welcome to the forum. Where are you in NJ? I'm near Princeton.
John
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Post by rizzoa13 on Jul 22, 2015 9:08:57 GMT -5
Hi John thanks for the welcome, my name is Tony and I live right outside of Atlantic city. Princeton is a nice area I've done some work at the Hun school up there and at Princeton university. My girlfriend from college is from chesterfield right near Bordentown so I've spent some time in that area!!
I've gotten my quote from Tobias and will post it along with the shipping quote if that is ok? I haven't been able to find concrete prices on the forum so I figure it may be useful for some. But the fact I couldn't find those prices may indicate it being frowned upon to do so, so I'll wait for the ok.
Thanks for the welcome all.
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Post by jalvis on Jul 22, 2015 11:17:04 GMT -5
I dont think posting prices will help anyone in the long run. If your dealer is giving you a good(lower) price and its posted on this site they might get in trouble from other dealers. If someone is interested in prices they should contact the dealer of there choice since prices fluctuate anyways.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 22, 2015 12:10:24 GMT -5
I have to agree. To me the price is always between the dealer and buyer and as long as both parties are happy then all is good
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Post by rizzoa13 on Jul 22, 2015 15:38:08 GMT -5
Sounds good guys. That was kind of the feeling i had gotten since I couldn't find any pricing info around here, hence why I asked. Suffice to say im very pleased with the price and service and eagerly await the saw to put it to use.
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Post by holmz on Jul 22, 2015 17:06:26 GMT -5
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Post by rizzoa13 on Jul 22, 2015 19:14:27 GMT -5
Shipping for the works minus the router is 227 eu to Philadelphia international. Then it would have been another 227eu to truck it to my house. I'll take a 45 minute drive and go grab it myself to make sure the brown box smashers dont toss it at my front door at Mach 1.
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Post by jalvis on Jul 23, 2015 10:02:53 GMT -5
I don't think its about the prices(MSRP) being a secret. Its more to protect a dealer. If a dealer gives one guy a better price and its posted here they might get in trouble if other dealers get mad. I wont stop anyone from posting prices I just dont see a benefit in the long run. If theres a dealer you prefer share the dealers contact and let the individual decide.
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Post by holmz on Jul 23, 2015 16:36:03 GMT -5
I don't think its about the prices(MSRP) being a secret. Its more to protect a dealer. If a dealer gives one guy a better price and its posted here they might get in trouble if other dealers get mad. I wont stop anyone from posting prices I just dont see a benefit in the long run. If theres a dealer you prefer share the dealers contact and let the individual decide. I see your point. However I am not in the business to protect dealers.it seems a bit like the lunayics running the asylum or the prisoners policing the prison. I am not sure the Mafell controls dealers and prices the same as FT, but it seems like fact that dictum no longer shipping to North America which they probably are not doing in their own. If this was FOG then we would be protecting the brand and the dealers. While I like and recommend Tobias I feel I have more in common with forum members as I am a Mafell User, Therefore I have more of a protection instinct toward them. In any case the Dictum site has a good package price.
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Post by jalvis on Jul 25, 2015 20:39:01 GMT -5
Mafell controls far more then even Festool, hence the single North American dealer. I know some other "dealers" in the USA that are afraid to even publish they sell Mafell after what happened to the last dealer (which I dont even know what happened but it got some dealers spooked.)
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Post by bengt on Jul 26, 2015 16:20:13 GMT -5
Draconian. We are talking about importing woodworking tools not enriched uranium. It sounds easier to get yelled cake .
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Post by jalvis on Jul 27, 2015 11:03:52 GMT -5
People forget that the USA is a touchy country when it comes to imports and UL listing(regulations). Everything from toilet paper to cars is controlled whether it makes sense or not. If I was a Mafell CEO i wouldn't get involved in the litigious USA. Too many other countries with less risk to do business. That being said I'm grateful theres a dealer at all.
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Post by Red on Jul 27, 2015 11:30:13 GMT -5
People forget that the USA is a touchy country when it comes to imports and UL listing(regulations). Everything from toilet paper to cars is controlled whether it makes sense or not. If I was a Mafell CEO i wouldn't get involved in the litigious USA. Too many other countries with less risk to do business. That being said I'm grateful theres a dealer at all. The word "litigious" brings it right home for me. Having been forced to become a defendant in a protracted civil case -- which, after 3+ years, ended up having absolutely no legal basis -- I can tell you, from direct experience, how "litigious" things can get in the US ... and we've got boxes full of archived legal "paperwork" relating to the case, if anyone doubts these words.
Perhaps your thoughts on potential legal liability explain Mafell's reluctance to pitch their whole tent in the US?
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Post by toomanytoys on Jul 27, 2015 12:12:00 GMT -5
I used to work part time in the vehicle accident reconstruction field, mostly motorcycles, and it was ludicrous what some of the complaints were. Yet tens to hundred thousands of dollars were spent on meritless cases. I believe I just read where small business in the U.S. accounts for $4 billion in legal fees per year. I know of a couple of automotive accidents were recently settled for just over $100k that should have been only a few thousand dollars if that, but the insurance settled at those values as they knew their legal fees would have been at least to those levels to fight. And unfortunately the insurance and therefore product costs just go up with all consumers footing the bill.
I've been told when you buy a ladder the ladder is free, your just paying for the companies insurance. Same with a gas clothes drier. Those statements are a little over the top, but I think it is pretty darn close when you think what it costs in materials and production for a ladder or look at the guts of a clothes drier.
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