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Post by zukinut on May 8, 2018 21:42:13 GMT -5
I've asked a few questions here. I now know which impact drivers are the best and why, and I know that the Bosch flexi is gonna be a purchase soon.
My next question is which ~18v battery drill to buy. My 24v ridged is a beast but the batteries are dying and apparently are no longer supported. I had a great older dewalt that finally died, replaced it with a newer dealt and wasn't impressed. My 18v ridgids can't push the Bosch daredevils in any size bigger than 1/2". And they hate hole saws.
I don't need a hammer drill, unless the best purchase has one by happenstance.
Is the Mafell worth the coin, should I get a festool, a newer dewalt or ridgid? I want to carry one battery drill everyday, not 3.
Thanks in advance for any and all input.
Will
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Post by huntsgemein on May 8, 2018 22:48:31 GMT -5
Festools generally tend to have lower torque than most; even the much-vaunted 4-speed Protool models. A problem for your speedbor augers & bigger holesaws. Most other manufacturers' professional & trade rated tools are superior in this regard.
Is a Mafell worthwhile or viable alternative? Not necessarily. You'll be getting the same basic drill as the older-gen BS 18 LTX BL Q I from Metabo. Nothing wrong with this drill, mind. I'm more than happy with mine, & until about a year ago it was probably the state of the art. That amazing triple reduction gearbox (that fits all 18v Metabo/Mafell "Quick" models) allows prodigious amounts of turning torque at the toolhead. Up to (allowing for some friction losses) an unprecedented 360 nm or thereabouts! I've used mine for heavy tasks such as big holesaws, soil augers & mixing smaller quantities of mortar. The type of tasks that would rapidly kill any other drill not so equipped.
Things move inexorably onward, however. Metabo's latest offering, an "LTX-3" has an extremely useful (for sheet metal work) high speed third gear, plus the option of much more "power-filled"l batteries in 4.0 AH single row & 8.0 AH double row batteries, plus much faster charging from a greater range of high speed chargers. My personal preference here is the older German-made 5 Ampere ASC 15 over the faster Chinese ASC Ultra. As far as I'm aware, Mafell is still currently stuck in an earlier generational battery & charger time warp with its licensed Metabo cordless products.
Realistically, however, you'd be nuts not to just buy the same brand as your chosen rattler model (whatever that is). One typeof charger & one familial set of batteries is the key to a sane & productive workplace. It's just a drill, after all.
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Post by thehandyman on May 8, 2018 23:51:25 GMT -5
I own most all of them, except Festool-Bosch-Hilti, and will have the new Milwaukee gen 3 Fuel drill beginning of next month.
All the premium drills will handle your tasks. DeWalt and new Hitachi premium are fantastic. Makita is a pure brute but just not as versatile. Metabo LTX-3 BL is fantastic!
The Bluetooth DeWalt Tool Connect and Milwaukee OneKey offer Programmable anti-kickback protection which is really nice safety feature.
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Post by arth on May 9, 2018 0:04:19 GMT -5
Looking at drills is one thing. There's obviously some differences in behaviour and quality but as mentioned above, all the pro lines will likely work out fine for you. It's more about taste.
If I were you I'd take a look at what other battery tools you want and go from there. Having to mess with several battery systems is a headache you don't want in the long run. Both for practical and economical reasons.
I've went the DeWalt road and like their drills and drivers, but it also means I can run their nailers with the same batteries. For me those two are important, other battery tools isn't a necessity.
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Post by zukinut on May 9, 2018 5:25:48 GMT -5
I have the most stuff in ridgid. I bought in to them years ago when the warranty wasn't a pita. Their impacts suck tho. So I carry my first gen 18v dewalt impact as well. It's not a beast, but it works very well and just won't die. I have the 18v dewalt finsh nailed thst I've had almost 10 years and a 20v dewalt framing nailer.
I'll check into the new dewalt, the Bluetooth does nothing for me, but the anti kickback would be nice. Especially since dads body is telling him he can't do things.
I was looking at the Mafell solely because of the right angle thing. And the fact that Mafell makes good stuff.
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Post by kraftt on May 9, 2018 8:22:28 GMT -5
... will have the new Milwaukee gen 3 Fuel drill beginning of next month. Milwaukee's making some claims: |
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Post by thehandyman on May 9, 2018 8:35:27 GMT -5
I have the most stuff in ridgid. I bought in to them years ago when the warranty wasn't a pita. Their impacts suck tho. So I carry my first gen 18v dewalt impact as well. It's not a beast, but it works very well and just won't die. I have the 18v dewalt finsh nailed thst I've had almost 10 years and a 20v dewalt framing nailer. I'll check into the new dewalt, the Bluetooth does nothing for me, but the anti kickback would be nice. Especially since dads body is telling him he can't do things. I was looking at the Mafell solely because of the right angle thing. And the fact that Mafell makes good stuff. I do not really need Bluetooth either but the kickback protection is excellent to have. The DeWalt Bluetooth tool connect DCD997 is the 3-speed hammer drill and the only one with anti-kickback. You can turn it on or off in any of the 4 settings. The drill is only about $30 more than the non-bluetooth. I really do like the right angle attachment for Metabo drills, which are the exact same as mafell but a lot cheaper. Very useful attachment that has a benefit of only needing one hand operate. I still use the flexible and swivel right angle Tools in other drills and impacts. Specifically the two DeWalt versions.   |
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Post by thehandyman on May 9, 2018 8:40:23 GMT -5
... will have the new Milwaukee gen 3 Fuel drill beginning of next month. Milwaukee's making some claims: Yeah, I was there talking to them about their deceptive percentage claims. Why bother saying it's 60% stronger than any competitor when we all know that is ridiculous. None the less, I used the drill and it is surely impressive for how small it is. Lots of improvements over the 2nd gen. I'll see how it is soon. |
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Post by huntsgemein on May 9, 2018 8:45:33 GMT -5
I was looking at the Mafell solely because of the right angle thing. And the fact that Mafell makes good stuff. That "right angle thing" is actually a Metabo design & make. As I've previously mentioned, these Metabo "quick" accessories are interchangeable across the Metabo, Mafell & Rothenberger ranges. Only the former, however, gives you the benefit of the latest high capacity battery & charger tech as standard. You'd otherwise have to be buying Metabo accessories anyway, just to get the best tech & lowest prices. Despite owning one, I'd no longer recommend the BS 18 LTX BL Q I, as it's now been significantly superseded, as has Mafell's pair of BS & SB equivalents, by the new 3 speed Metabo models. The only 2 speed Metabo (or Mafell) model to offer anything unique these days is their devilishly clever auto-reversing tapping drill, the GB 18 LTX BL Q I, which seems pretty well the cleverest & most useful cordless metalwork dill ever made. Yes, the "right angle thing", torque multiplier, quick bit holder, square tapping & standard chucks will fit across the entire 18v range that carry a "Q" suffix. |
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Post by huntsgemein on May 9, 2018 9:05:25 GMT -5
Yeah, I was there talking to them about their deceptive percentage claims. Why bother saying it's 60% stronger than any competitor when we all know that is ridiculous. None the less, I used the drill and it is surely impressive for how small it is. Lots of improvements over the 2nd gen. I'll see how it is soon. My tool repairer, a fellow with whom I've dealt & trusted for some 30 odd years now, has a fairly graphic display on his shop floor of his own opinion of Milwaukee's "Fuel" range. He has a "pyramid" of some 150-200 kaput fuel motors in a corner below a sign stating "SOME of the Milwaukee warranty repairs from the past year". Whilst he won't sell them - his customer base are principally tradies who he doesn't want to alienate by selling them crap - he still loves the brand. Apparently the company offer pretty generous bonus payments to repairers who can offer a less than 48 hours repair turnaround. In fact, Milwaukee repairs are pretty well the mainstay of his warranty repair business. He maintains fairly full stocks of all the different variants of fuel motors. The only professional or trade rated brands he repairs these days are worn out tradies' DeWalts, Makitas, Hikokis, Bosch, Metabo et al since Festo/ol sent their own repairs offshore. To be fair, 'though Milwaukee (& their latter-day AEG & Ridgid siblings) these days are little more than re-badged Ryobis from the same TTI (Hong Kong/PRC) stable, & are I assume priced accordingly. Quality almost always costs a bit more. |
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Post by zukinut on May 9, 2018 13:21:36 GMT -5
With all that my previous post says, which drill between dewalt, makita and metabo would be the best all around for everyday use.
Also, I hope I didn't offend anyone by calling it "the 90* thing".
Thanks again for all the help.
Will
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Post by zukinut on May 9, 2018 18:09:24 GMT -5
Ive narrowed it down to these 3. BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I metabo, DCD997 dewalt and XPH07TB Makita. If I NEEDED a new impact i would go the Makita route, i like the anti kickback thing of the dewalt, but im afraid that all that circuitry might lead to an early death of the drill. The metabo seems like a great drill, and i know that i could really take advantage of "the 90* thing".
I guess what it boils down to is which one is gonna take a beating and keep on ticking for the longest.
If yall have any insight on that, please share it. Im about tired of dragging out cords to drill anything bigger than 1/2"
Will
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Post by huntsgemein on May 9, 2018 18:45:17 GMT -5
No offence taken at all, Will. I'm just amused by the accurate & succinct description. One thing I appreciate about this particular forum is that reasoned dissent & debate doesn't get stomped on in a similar manner to, in particular, another German power tool fanboy site. I believe this open attitude encourages the quality of debate.
In regard to your particular tool choice, it probably comes down to what best fits your own particular suite of needs & aspirations. Makita, followed fairly far behind by Hikoki tend to be the tradesman's choice of cordless tool. In particular, the former seems to offer fairly useful solutions to most trade users' requirements. Without actually offering anything particularly outstanding in terms of features or performance. The matrix of performance, reliability, low pricing, the largest & most diverse range of different cordless tools in the market & their extensive dealer/repair network seems to be a winning combination to most tradies.
I personally prefer the feel, sophistication & versatility of my Metabo/Mafell cordless combination. But I'm no longer the intensive user of cordless tools I once was. Perhaps if I was using my tools to generate income professionally I'd choose differently. Each & every brand has its relative merits. When I was "on the tools" my own preferred brand was Bosch Blue. That was some years ago, however, & soecifically chosen on the superior performance of their 18v SDS hammers & grinders which were at the time unmatched elsewhere.
It's really a matter of your own personal preference/s. How you use your tools, for what & when. How is the dealer & repair network locally, what's the availability of spares & accessories like?
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Post by zukinut on May 9, 2018 20:12:44 GMT -5
Yea, I was born and raised in the trades. When I was 10 my dad told me "walk out that door and leave your feelings and then get back in here, we've got work to do". So I'm all for a good positive debate.
Do you like the metabo impact?
I'm in bfe, so parts and service isn't gonna happen for any brand.
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Post by zukinut on May 9, 2018 21:16:47 GMT -5
Handyman
I found a couple reviews on the tool connect drill. Is it teunthst you have to use the app to enable the anti kickback?
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