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Post by huntsgemein on May 9, 2017 18:36:39 GMT -5
Ohan: I would guess (and hope) that the 50 would be the same as the 40 but in a slightly larger format. The 40 has blade brake and kick back protection (which works great) in a very small package so there is no reason they would not be able to work it in to the 50. Mafell sales rep says these saws are in full production at the moment for the first batch and will be officially "revealed or released Week 21" which begins Monday May 22nd. That is two weeks from now.  I have the 50 on pre-order as of today, as a PURE unit with no batt's or charger. Price not known or confirmed but the sales rep would phone me when they start shipping. I will get back to you guys asap when I get shipping date confirmed. Do you have a price yet Henrun? Maybe you're a wealthy man (lucky bugger), or is it a case of "if you have to ask the price, then you can't afford one". In other words, will I have to sell my firstborn to pay for it? Or just a kidney? Addendum: Sorry, I just re-read your post & realised that you don't know the price either! My apologies. |
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Post by rizzoa13 on May 10, 2017 5:02:35 GMT -5
That was a lot faster than I thought, time to allocate funds!
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Post by henrun on May 11, 2017 10:51:40 GMT -5
huntsgemein: no worries. About the "blind purchase" I don't have unlimited funds and actually this year hasn't started out that great - but still ok, overall. The work I have ahead of me does justify the KSS 50 for sure - I even looked at the Festool HKC 55 but hated the idea of going back to two different track systems. The KSS 40 is a great machine and I will keep it - definitely. There are a few instances where I have been reasoning along the lines of your earlier posting - just a little more DOC and the ability to chop down the occasional stud would be nice to have. There is of course a possibility that the KSS 50 will replace the KSS 40 for me - I don't rule that out. But, I think that the small size and ease of use will make me miss the KSS 40 and that it will remain my indoor carpentry "go-to" saw. The KSS 50 will definitely be my outdoor and decking saw since it will cover a bit more ground. Since I am ordering the KSS50 as a "PURE" unit with no batt's or charger I will probably relegate the KSS40 to back up duty for an initial period. The KSS 40 is paid for a few times over so I don't mind keeping it and if the KSS50 turns out to be all that impressive we will have to see, but I think I can always make good use of the KSS 40 either in the work shop or in the field. The saw that takes the biggest "hit" in usage time is the MT55cc which I have only used twice since I got the KSS 40. With the KSS 50 that would be even less but the MT55cc does a great job in the workshop too. When cutting Staron/Corian countertops to size I prefer the MT55cc and the Bosch FSN 3000mm rail over sliding a heavy and wobbly countertop through the format saw. / Henrik |
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Post by henrun on May 11, 2017 10:57:25 GMT -5
PS
A kidney will suffice for the KSS 50, that's what the sales rep told me. Unless you want the MaxiMax with batteries and charger - then you will have to give up your liver too.
Seriously I didn't ask because I thought that I can always cut down on something else.
Also, I don't know if I mentioned that I had the KSS60cc and although it is a brilliant saw I did find it too large to swing around continuously - also I am not a huge fan of corded tools anymore for some types of work. At least not the portable kind. The KSS60cc would cut down studs and trim down cabinets with ease and was great in use but I wasn't really in need of that cut capacity all too often and at the time I didn't feel I could afford the MT55cc, the KSS60cc and the KSS300 all at once. When the KSS 40 came along it changed things over quite a bit for me.
I was hoping the KSS60cc would cover most of my needs and perhaps be the "go-to" saw but the main problem is that it is corded, and a bit too large for me for my everyday use.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 14, 2017 10:52:06 GMT -5
Cannot wait for this to be released and to hear comments. I love my 80, but it is a beast to swing all day for sure. Have wanted a 300 or 40 size, but the 55 would be a better size for what I need. This will likely be less than the 60 options, so that should give everyone a guess.
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Post by skinee on May 17, 2017 4:43:19 GMT -5
question for you henrun, Henrik as you have ordered the 'pure' version of the kss 50 I assume that 'pure' version will be available for anyone to buy or is this a deal you have negotiated with your dealer?,also will the kss 50 be compatible with the kss 400 guide track and therefore the 770mm guide track as well?any information would be much appreciated, Adrian. |
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Post by henrun on May 17, 2017 12:36:56 GMT -5
Adrian: Mafell order numbers are: The PURE version will be ref. 919302 The complete set will be ref. 919301 The KSS50 (complete set) will be shipping with LiHD batteries and hopefully the KSS40 will start shipping with them too. However the PURE version does not include the Flexirail - at least it didn't come with the KSS40 PURE I bought. I have contacted them today asking why it is not included as I think it is a vital part of the kit. Will post the reply as soon as I get word. I have no info on the compatibilty of the guide tracks but I am assuming Mafell does not need to invent the wheel all over again - I think we will know for sure next week as it will be introduced at a trade fair in Germany. It would make sense to use the same rails/tracks since the saw is compatible with the FSN system for sure. I have pretty high hopes for the KSS 50. I love the little rascal (KSS 40) but my main gripe is that it does not cut down studs on the flat. I don't need to do that very often but also the extra DOC is good to have when cutting down benchtops to size. I did spin the MT55cc yesterday - for the first time in months - and there is no denying the quality of cut. I am eager to find out what blades are offered for the KSS 50 and if there are other blades available (from other makers). / Henrik |
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Post by GhostFist on May 18, 2017 20:49:49 GMT -5
Sucks about European stud dimensions, as I cut studs with my 40 all the time here in the tropics of Canada
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Post by Eoj on Sept 13, 2017 19:33:06 GMT -5
Real nice, good update to the KSS400 .  |
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Post by henrun on Sept 16, 2017 10:36:10 GMT -5
My KSS 50 18M bl was supposed to have shipped out 31 of August. Something caused yet another delay but according to the latest from Mafell in Germany is that they will be shipping out by Monday/Tuesday next week and arrive in Sweden some time next week.
I believe it when I see it - but that's the latest.
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Post by huntsgemein on Sept 16, 2017 19:24:03 GMT -5
I feel your frustration. I'd be a mite pissed myself!
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Post by skinee on Sept 17, 2017 5:47:36 GMT -5
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Post by henrun on Sept 20, 2017 12:15:20 GMT -5
Never give up hope! Got a phone call from the dealership this morning, unit has arrived! Could not make it out there today but they delivered it to my home address after work - that is great service!  First thought - man, this thing is HEAVY. Well, the sarcophagus / container is metal. And HUGE. The weight of the container alone is pretty substantial. I don't even have charger and batteries in it yet. I will definitely not use it for this saw. It is a cool container though so I might put wheels on it and store other stuff in it. I will chuck the saw in a SYS 4 and the track on the loose with a new bag I found that houses the FSN rails.  LED light - need to try it in action, seems pretty good though. |
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Post by henrun on Sept 20, 2017 12:38:57 GMT -5
I won't have time to play with it this evening - but it will jump straight into action tomorrow morning. I will cut exterior window trim on a panel with cuts going from square in one end to 15 degrees on the other end and every piece will be different from the other on an old house. I have the Metabo 18V SCMS out there but this will be far more convenient on the scaffolding. Initial impressions: it is large-ish, but it is a given for the blade size. All levers and plungers are very smooth in operation - more so than on the KSS 40. Dustbag looks great, comes with a red rubber end cap which stores on the bag - smart thing. It is fairly silent in use (dry running it) which is nice, I hate screechy saws. Will post some more tomorrow evening after first day of use. It is a little bit larger than I thought it would be - I can safely say I will keep the KSS40 - but this will take care of the outdoor/field cuts as well as all the projects where the extra depth of cut will come in handy. Also I think the extra power will be significant. This Monday I will be laying a massive wood floor, 26 or 28mm so that will be interesting for sure. There will be ripping as well as angled cuts so I will probably not have my colleague set up his mitre saw at all and see how it goes. Should be perfect for the task at hand. I did get one extra 24 tooth blade for rip cuts - which surprisingly enough was not expensive - and plan on adding another blade depending on the outcome of the first projects. There is a 16 tooth blade but I don't foresee that much heavy rip cutting so the standard 32 tooth blade and the 24 tooth blade is a starting point. It might be the only two I need but I plan on having a spare standard blade. Can't be out in the field and having a blade ruined and a new blade one week away... Since I rarely use the MT55cc I am seriously considering adding a fine tooth blade and selling the MT55cc. For the time being I will park the MT55cc in the workshop and further evaluate the KSS 50. The MT55cc will probably still be the bees knees for plunge cuts and for cutting Staron benchtops it is great so I might have to hold on to it for workshop use. I have a lot of add ons for the other saws so I will check and see what fits (parallell guides and such) before I dig any deeper down the money pit.  |
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Post by henrun on Sept 20, 2017 12:46:39 GMT -5
I just can't get over how HUGE that container is. It must weigh at least four to five kilos on its own... ...well, it might come in handy for other stuff. The shape lends itself well to mixing odd stuff and putting it on wheels. To answer the question a while back in the thread: Yes, the KSS 50 has a blade brake. It stops fairly quickly and sure is nice to have. Haven't tried the kick back protection yet, should work the same as the KSS 40. |
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