mato
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Post by mato on Apr 14, 2017 13:17:31 GMT -5
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Post by toomanytoys on Apr 14, 2017 14:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by jonathan on Apr 14, 2017 15:22:24 GMT -5
Cool find mato! Found a german press release as well which mentions some additional things www.sciam-online.at/mafell-bei-weltleitmesse-ligna/Also mentioned in that press release: - KSS50 corded and cordless running on 18v 5.2Ah LiHD battery, 5.4kg corded 5.6kg cordless - Cordless MT55cc that runs on 18v 5.2Ah LiHD battery - A new insulation cutter DSS300. About time they updated the aging KSS400 and bring it in line with the rest of the saw line-up with the new design. Now we need some new routers and KSS ready baseplate for the MT55 saws! |
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Post by charley1968 on Apr 14, 2017 15:50:02 GMT -5
Thanx for chucking temptation my way...
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Post by ohan on Apr 14, 2017 18:45:55 GMT -5
So, why would you want the 50 if you already had a 60? Weight? Battery platform? I wonder if the 50 has a brake - I'm assuming the 18bl means brushless..
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Post by huntsgemein on Apr 14, 2017 23:03:13 GMT -5
Well, I'd consider the "50" to be an optimum compromise for my sort on work. Light enough to be easily handled, yet sufficiently capacious for most typical thicknesses of scantling: 32, 35, 50mm. It's also a bit of a "sweet spot" for things like flooring, ply & other sheet goods.
But you're absolutely correct, it's totally redundant as an additional tool to the "60". As an alternative, however, it's midground approach & capacity makes it (for me anyway) extremely desirable as an ideal allrounder. I've had a few saws. My 85mm cut Elu is usually inverted in an old Elu alloy sawstand & lives at the shack. It was aesthetically sufficiently scruffy looking to have escaped the unwanted attentions of my nocturnal visitors last November, when all my boxed tools were misappropriated. I also had a 7 1/4" DeWalt, which was taken, as was a cordless Bosch & another 25 odd power tools.
At home I have a corded "all in one" Metabo plunge/rail/pendulum saw (KSE55 Vario) which is a fantastic, if at only 1200w a trifle gutless, allrounder. It unfortunately uses Metabo rails, which are superficially & operationally similar to the Festo ones. I hate them with a passion. Just as with their stupid Festo cousins, they're all but impossible to join with any adequate measure of linearity. A great saw dismally let down with a palpably inadequate rail system.
If the same (or at least similar) saw could be produced utilising the infinitely superior Bosch FSN rail system, then I'd be delighted! Make it a x-cutter, even better. As a cordless iteration? Yes please! Utilizing an EC motor? Bliss. Having access to the same Sanyo/Panasonic 20700 high energy density cells - it just gets better. Using that brilliant Metabo 18v battery interface, providing access to that company's high current charging technology AND having those extra special 1400 watt 5.5ah batteries as standard issue. It's just about the most complete, well conceived & thought out portable saw package that the current state of the art in cordless technology allows.
AND it seamlessly integrates with my current cordless suite of tools. In one fell swoop, it appears that Mafell have leapfrogged all their competitors by a "generation" or two of cordless technology. Yet again at the top of the pile, which is where (at least in saws anyway) they belong.
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Post by henrun on May 5, 2017 22:42:14 GMT -5
Crap. Just when you think you are "done" with the tool set up. I got me an Ultra charger and a triple pack of 5,5Ah LiHD for the KSS 40M and my Metabo SCMS 18V. The LiHD does pack a punch on the KSS 40 18m! For me the KSS60cc (corded) was a little too large for universal use. The KSS 40 18M takes care of most of my sawing needs, probably close to 85%. A KSS 50 would push that number closer to the point where I would be perfectly happy with the cut depth to weight ratio. The KSS 40 is a featherweight and very manageable off the rails too. The occasional need to cut 45mm (std) studs at a 45 degree bevel is the only slight drawback I can think of. The additional LED is not bad either. But, seriously the MT55 cordless would be the smart buy for me since I have the KSS 40. I have a couple of months work ahead of me and plenty of work that would justify the KSS 50/MT 55 cordless - just the other day I realised that the KSS 40 would come up a little short on a few decking builds that are scheduled. I even looked at getting the Festool HKC 55 when they had a special offer - now I am very glad I didn't! Since I have the angle unit for the FSN and rails from 800mm and ranging up to 3000mm the MT55cc cordless would be a no brainer for me. Ohan: the KSS 40M 18 has a blade brake - and it works great. I would be surprised if the KSS 50 would not have it too. There is no weight issue if they managed to squeeze it into the small KSS 40. "bl" stands for brushless, yes. Still hanging on to the hopes of a cordless P1cc - judging by the broadening of the line up I am sure they are thinking of it - possibly even working on one.  |
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Post by henrun on May 5, 2017 22:49:16 GMT -5
...but/so what I really really want is that P1cc 18m bl. Now.  |
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Post by huntsgemein on May 6, 2017 0:56:28 GMT -5
Aside from not fitting the Cunex blades, what's wrong with the Metabo's cordless?
I have the corded version. I like it a lot. It has all the "nice to have" but non-essential features such as LED headlights (twin), onboard tilting base, auto accelerator & a lovely slim body for a safe grip. Plus a really good 140mm capacity. Mafell have missed out on almost all of these features with their own corded saw, being as it is from an earlier generation of jigsaw development.
I can also all but guarantee that a cordless Metabo will be a helluva lot less expensive too.
The downsides are: the cordless model, whilst quoted @ 140mm capacity, simply doesn't have the power, let alone the stamina, of the corded model/s. It may or may not fit on Mafell rails. Probably not, I suspect. Some say it's important, but I've never really felt the need to put a jigsaw on a rail. It seems a bit counter-intuitive , if not outright oxymoronic to me. Rails are for straight cuts with circular & plunge saws & maybe routers. A jigsaw is for freeform cutting, curves & circles. Obviously, both Metabo's versions feature pretty conventional blade clamping and guide-roller pendulum actions too.
Now if Mafell & Metabo got together & produced some sort of bastard child of a cordless jiggy that fits those lovely but crazy expensive Cunex blades, then I'd be tempted too. To me, that's the single biggest advantage of the P1 corded saw, & I suspect the main reason why it has so much power: to cut that double-width kerf. That would be a big ask of a cordless equivalent I suspect, maybe too much at full capacity.
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Post by henrun on May 6, 2017 1:16:20 GMT -5
I actually have the STA 18 LTX barrel grip. It shares a SYSII with the Multicutter. It does a good job so there is really nothing wrong with it.
The nitpicks:
The thing that bothers me a little is that it vibrates a little more than I am used to. It takes a little more concentration/effort to keep the pressure at an angle forward/down on the cut to keep it from vibrating more than say, the Carvex. If I don't forget that it cuts really well but it is the way it eats into the material - you have to keep it engaged and it can't just ride the cut like the P1cc. This goes for the material I have tried so far.
The body/casing is rough on the underside so there is a sharp edge where the casing sides meet down the middle. I will sand it down a little - but it feels a little "cheap" on an otherwise sturdy and powerful saw.
The good:
Price is right.
Blade is tiltable without extra foot.
Power is very good.
Size is good.
LiHD 3,1 rocks on it.
So yeah, I don't really need a cordless P1cc.
The Metabo Multicutter is performing very well. At first I thought it just "ok" but it has been used quite a lot last week notching out in panels outdoors and it cuts fast and well and with the 3,1 LiHD it does a very good job with modest vibration. Screeches like a banshee but they all do that. Same there, a little different technique compared to the corded Fein but it cuts really well.
Both machines purchased as solo units for less than the price of a Carvex solo unit, both fits in a SYSII with two LiHD's and charger plus plenty of blades. Happy with the both of them.
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Post by rizzoa13 on May 7, 2017 4:57:00 GMT -5
Anyone in the know have even a guess when these saws will be released? I've had this conversation with myself and we (myself and myself) have come to the conclusion I NEED them.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 7, 2017 13:24:27 GMT -5
I guess not soon enough
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Post by rizzoa13 on May 7, 2017 14:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by ohan on May 7, 2017 16:27:29 GMT -5
I only wondered about the 50 having a blade brake because the 60 apparently doesn't have one.
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Post by henrun on May 9, 2017 15:58:01 GMT -5
Ohan: I would guess (and hope) that the 50 would be the same as the 40 but in a slightly larger format. The 40 has blade brake and kick back protection (which works great) in a very small package so there is no reason they would not be able to work it in to the 50. Mafell sales rep says these saws are in full production at the moment for the first batch and will be officially "revealed or released Week 21" which begins Monday May 22nd. That is two weeks from now. I have the 50 on pre-order as of today, as a PURE unit with no batt's or charger. Price not known or confirmed but the sales rep would phone me when they start shipping. I will get back to you guys asap when I get shipping date confirmed. |
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