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Post by aas on Apr 6, 2018 11:02:34 GMT -5
First proper use of the KS 18 LTX 57 in the wild this week - ski cupboard up at 2000m - sun and snow, and I was stuck in a basement with a very dim light on a timer that switched off after 2 mins - made good use of the BSA LED flood light.
The KS worked like a champ. Now I've ditched the standard blade and settled on the Bosch, I'm happy with the quality of cut.
I think I'll get the new BL SSD 200 to replace or add to my Makita. The SSW 400 is so good...
Just ordered the new Makita 18v BL 'compact' sabre saw. Between the Makita and Metabo 18v platforms - most jobs can be covered.
If you get to pester Metabo - can you try and find out more about the 10,8v slide platform we've heard very little about?
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Post by thehandyman on Apr 6, 2018 13:44:58 GMT -5
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 6, 2018 22:29:06 GMT -5
Only one question: Does it have soft start (delay on trigger)?
Actually, a second: Does the electronic clutch just reduce the torque or does it also reduce the speed?
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Post by thehandyman on Apr 6, 2018 22:43:49 GMT -5
Only one question: Does it have soft start (delay on trigger)? Actually, a second: Does the electronic clutch just reduce the torque or does it also reduce the speed? Soft start is a yes. It's super smooth. It feels like precision. I will be opening it up to see how it's built soon. Very similar feel to the Fein ASCM 18v. The electronic clutch corresponds to each setting on the Wheel and each of the three speeds. So, the torque and speed stop and it beeps at you when any kind of overload happens. Not quite anti-kickback protection but it's better than nothing. The electronic clutch is actually very crisp. You can bring the speed down to one on the dial and install very fine screws and softwood and still have the clutch beep at you. |
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 6, 2018 23:09:28 GMT -5
Doh! With soft start, you can't "feather beep" it like I do with the T18 and PDC.  I'll get over it. The Festool drills were well behind the previous Metabo installment in the torque department. Now that it's over double their power, I can't say no. No in depth use, but the LTX drills I've tinkered with sure seem like the heavier duty version of the same quality.
I remember some guy on the FOG selling me on the idea that the PDC would tear my arms off. I laughed at the notion once I owned it.
It's very slick, it just has it's limitations.
I used to own a big, corded Metabo drill. One of those two speed, extra torque, extra speed deals. It was... erm... durable. Suffice to say, their cordless drills from these past 5-6 years are space miles beyond.
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Post by holmz on Apr 8, 2018 18:42:41 GMT -5
Loving my 3 speed Metabo hammerdrill. It's a beast for sure. The New KS 18 LTX 57 circular saw has been great. Really good bag dust collection.  What model is that again? (I probably do not need a hammer function) 1/2 built a raised veggi garden and the big lag bolts made the little A10M struggle a bit. (so far it is coming along. I ran the 4x4 (90-mm) posts through the Erika as one side follows ~30 degree angle of concrete, so got to use the trig function on the calculator.) |
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Post by huntsgemein on Apr 8, 2018 23:34:09 GMT -5
Holmz, for some reason (lack of demand from tradies?) Metabo Oz don't seem to import the BS (drill-only, no-hammer) models. At least not in the top-'o-the-line LTX versions anyway. Idiots. I too much prefer separating my drilling & hammering functions also.
Nevertheless, the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I is available from the usual places as an import: naked tool-only version, with or without a fancy Metaloc box.
They also don't import any single-row batteries, or at least not for the last few years anyway. I'm talking about the extremely useful 3.1/3.5/4.0AH Li-HD series anyway. Import & freight restrictions will make private importation of any of these problematic, if not downright impossible.
What a bunch of "fyst-fukkas"! Not everybody wants the bigger, heavier batteries on each & every tool. Sometimes I despair...
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Post by henrun on Apr 9, 2018 9:21:11 GMT -5
First proper use of the KS 18 LTX 57 in the wild this week - ski cupboard up at 2000m - sun and snow, and I was stuck in a basement with a very dim light on a timer that switched off after 2 mins - made good use of the BSA LED flood light. The KS worked like a champ. Now I've ditched the standard blade and settled on the Bosch, I'm happy with the quality of cut. I think I'll get the new BL SSD 200 to replace or add to my Makita. The SSW 400 is so good... Just ordered the new Makita 18v BL 'compact' sabre saw. Between the Makita and Metabo 18v platforms - most jobs can be covered. If you get to pester Metabo - can you try and find out more about the 10,8v slide platform we've heard very little about? I did get that little Sabre saw (perhaps already mentioned this) and it is a beauty. Compact yet solid, it has 32mm stroke length - same as most other full size sabre saws. Though I'd rather have had a Metabo in the arsenal to tie things up for the outdoor gear in one brand, the ASE 18 LTX is very dated and the safety trigger is a chore to operate. Word has it a brushless version is due out soon. Might be in the same shape and mold as the Hitachi offerings which isn't too bad but Makita hit a home run with the little sabre saw. Considering how seldom I do use one I can happily make do with the Makita even if everything else was Metabo/Mafell. Tomorrow the expo is opening here in Stockholm though I could not find Metabo listed - hope they are represented. Would like to kick them in the b*lls over some things and have a friendly chat on other things. |
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 10, 2018 11:56:11 GMT -5
Holmz, for some reason (lack of demand from tradies?) Metabo Oz don't seem to import the BS (drill-only, no-hammer) models. At least not in the top-'o-the-line LTX versions anyway. Idiots. I too much prefer separating my drilling & hammering functions also. Nevertheless, the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I is available from the usual places as an import: naked tool-only version, with or without a fancy Metaloc box. They also don't import any single-row batteries, or at least not for the last few years anyway. I'm talking about the extremely useful 3.1/3.5/4.0AH Li-HD series anyway. Import & freight restrictions will make private importation of any of these problematic, if not downright impossible. What a bunch of "fyst-fukkas"! Not everybody wants the bigger, heavier batteries on each & every tool. Sometimes I despair... Well, to be fair, every Australian I've ever met in the physical world could carry 200 cylinder blocks with their pinky nail. Ok, there was this fashion designer that was about 4 feet tall, but he made up for it by "knowing" every woman in every square mile of his presence. I'm in the wrong profession. |
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 10, 2018 12:55:07 GMT -5
Has anyone reached out to Mafell on whether or not they'll be taking on the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q and SB 18 LTX-3 BL Q?
I just shot them an e-mail. Look, we all know that I buy this stuff to put on a shelf and look at, so don't judge.
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Post by henrun on Apr 10, 2018 23:12:52 GMT -5
...but you are still going to actually _use_ the drill to secure that shelf to the wall.
#totallyjustifiable
#hoarderswithoutborders
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Post by yetihunter on Apr 11, 2018 1:07:12 GMT -5
I can't until I find the most expensive stud finder.
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Post by huntsgemein on Apr 11, 2018 6:36:13 GMT -5
Has anyone reached out to Mafell on whether or not they'll be taking on the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q and SB 18 LTX-3 BL Q? I just shot them an e-mail. Look, we all know that I buy this stuff to put on a shelf and look at, so don't judge. I should imagine it'll be around about the time their contract with Metabowerke runs out, when they (Mafell) may choose yet another unrelated tool & battery supplier just to induce mugs like us to commence an all-new round of tool extravagance! In reality, it'll probably be when Metabo actually cease production of 2 speed drill gearcases: unlikely in the forseeable future as they need these more robust & simpler geartrains for, among others, their GB 18 1/2" tapping drill. In common with all the other crap cordless hammer drills out there all that's required is the addition of a simple & cheesy pair of contra-rotating "rattle discs" on the front end to transform them into instant hammer drills. Their current dual speed geartrain is a proven, robust, mature & well-amortised design that allows profitable manufacture & marketing for both parties. Although I've nothing more than anecdotal evidence to base this on, additional gears quite often weaken a geartrain. Not usually a problem in heavier, more robust mains tools, but still significant in the lighter fabrication of cordless models. Also not usually an issue with the relatively weaker torque outputs of cordless drills either, unless extreme stress is applied regularly as a matter of course, such as the auto-reversing slow-speed tapping capabilities of the GB 18. Makita's 3 speeders were for instance notorious for premature gear failure, & Milwaukee for premature EC motor burnout. Metabo's drills are however industrially rated with an accompanying Triennial warranty. Making an extreme-torque, lightweight but long-lasting planetary multispeed geartrain appears beyond the current capabilities of many manufacturers. Whilst fine & dandy for conventional applications, hardcore & extreme operation reveals the inherent weakness in some current designs, prompting some manufacturers to severely limit torque inputs & outputs to compensate. |
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Post by holmz on Apr 11, 2018 9:13:33 GMT -5
Holmz, for some reason (lack of demand from tradies?) Metabo Oz don't seem to import the BS (drill-only, no-hammer) models. At least not in the top-'o-the-line LTX versions anyway. Idiots. I too much prefer separating my drilling & hammering functions also. Nevertheless, the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I is available from the usual places as an import: naked tool-only version, with or without a fancy Metaloc box. They also don't import any single-row batteries, or at least not for the last few years anyway. I'm talking about the extremely useful 3.1/3.5/4.0AH Li-HD series anyway. Import & freight restrictions will make private importation of any of these problematic, if not downright impossible. What a bunch of "fyst-fukkas"! Not everybody wants the bigger, heavier batteries on each & every tool. Sometimes I despair... Well, to be fair, every Australian I've ever met in the physical world could carry 200 cylinder blocks with their pinky nail. Ok, there was this fashion designer that was about 4 feet tall, but he made up for it by "knowing" every woman in every square mile of his presence. I'm in the wrong profession. How many cinder block can you manage? or what percentage do you manage in your square mile? |
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Post by huntsgemein on Apr 11, 2018 9:24:22 GMT -5
Holmz, for some reason (lack of demand from tradies?) Metabo Oz don't seem to import the BS (drill-only, no-hammer) models. At least not in the top-'o-the-line LTX versions anyway. Idiots. I too much prefer separating my drilling & hammering functions also. Nevertheless, the BS 18 LTX-3 BL Q I is available from the usual places as an import: naked tool-only version, with or without a fancy Metaloc box. They also don't import any single-row batteries, or at least not for the last few years anyway. I'm talking about the extremely useful 3.1/3.5/4.0AH Li-HD series anyway. Import & freight restrictions will make private importation of any of these problematic, if not downright impossible. What a bunch of "fyst-fukkas"! Not everybody wants the bigger, heavier batteries on each & every tool. Sometimes I despair... Well, to be fair, every Australian I've ever met in the physical world could carry 200 cylinder blocks with their pinky nail. Ok, there was this fashion designer that was about 4 feet tall, but he made up for it by "knowing" every woman in every square mile of his presence. I'm in the wrong profession. Not this Oz-boy, anyway. When I was young I felt like I was 10' tall & bullet-proof. Now approaching my seventh decade of life, I find I'm anything but... The sad thing is, that it's an actual consequence not just of the inevitable process of age related senescence, but also directly attributable to some of those stupid lifestyle choices of my callow youth. How I've survived those subsequent decades is something of a miracle. Riding round on fast, powerful sportsbikes. KTMs & Bevel-drive Ducatis in my case. No helmet much of the time, with moleskins rather than leathers. Little seatbelt usage either. Then there's the speeding & even a couple of instances drink-driving & recreational herbal intoxicants. Behaviour of which I'm rather ashamed, actually. Then there's the work. Out the bush day in & out without waterproofs, warm clothes or other safety & comfort "essentials". Repeated bouts of mild exposure/hypothermia. Carrying way too heavy loads bushwalking, backpacking & working, overreaching & not "bending ze kneez". Hard, repetetive impacts & strains to the wrists, elbows, ankles, knees & back. Stupid, ignorant & immature. The consequences are severe: I can only tolerate wooden handled impact tools, & then for limited periods only. Carpal tunnel syndrome is an awful, painful & debilitating condition exacerbated to intolerable levels by repetetive motion (try eviscerating 19,000 chickens in a single 8 hr. shift!) & impact. Both knees, especially the left, are 'effed. I can only climb ladders (slowly & carefully) 1 rung at a time now, & ascend & descend stairs if laden 1/2 step at a time: i.e. both feet at one time on each ladder rung or stair tread! I can no longer kneel on hard surfaces due to the long-term damage done either. Making me useless as an Electrician any more. Disc compression in my lower back makes it hard to sleep sometimes. A Gaelic football injury to an ankle has allowed repeated buckling/sprains that have laid me up for weeks at a time. Both my liver & digestive system still suffer the consequences of severe bouts of dysentery & jaundice contracted whilst backpacking in the wilder & less civilised parts of south Asia & the Levant in the late 70s. STILL! Some 40 years later! Then there's the respiratory consequences of some 40 years of ciggies & other intoxicants & ignoring the (albeit mild) onset of altitude sickness in the Himalaya & Hindu Kush mtn's. IBS, alchohol intolerance & a slight wheeze are but the symptoms of a deeper, permanent underlying malaise methinks. I try to live a healthier lifestyle nowadays, but unfortunately much irreversible damage has I suspect already been done. It's all a bit embarrassing, really. Care for your bods, folks. It's the only one you're likely to ever have.... |
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