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Post by huntsgemein on Mar 13, 2018 4:25:20 GMT -5
There's nothing really wrong with the Festo/ol chuck. Mine's superficially similar to those fitted later model drills; maybe slightly shorter? It's solid, chunky & quite weighty, denoting heavy metallic construction. It grips as well as any similar chuck will. My beef, however, is the plastic sleeve, common to many other cordless drills I've owned or tried, from Festool, Metabo, Bosch, Makita et. al. I find that plastic sleeving is a cheap, nasty, slippery, inadequate substitute for quality knurled steel grips, which can be used safely & securely with sweaty bare & gloved hands.
I note that Festool does offer a steel knurled chucks an accessory for at least some of its drill models.
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Post by matchesder on Mar 17, 2018 16:08:40 GMT -5
These quick change systems are a thing I love and hate. For free hand work the festool centrotec system is really nice. No chance of a slipping bit. The play does not matter in free hand operation. Yet they should comee up with a bit holder like Metabo and Fein.
I have the Quadrill, the corded festool drill. It is a nice machine but in a drill stand the bit wobbles around in circles at higher rpm's making it impossible to hit the marking.
Also I own a Fein ASCM 18 QM (great machine, bigger than the LTX though). It also has a quick change system, the best of all I've used yet (Metabo, Festool, Fein). Sadly the issue remains, althoug it is better than Festool.
Note that also the shaft has a little play in these machines. The bearing of the shaft is very short. Just inside the metal part of the housing.
Fein now is offering a chuck for theyre quick system that self tightens. Of course all Röhm made.
Oh an Metabo makes some of theyre chucks. Not all are made by Röhm.
Martin
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Post by matchesder on Mar 17, 2018 17:21:17 GMT -5
...OK, the little 10.8v drill is pretty gutless in all but smaller diameter boring & driving tasks, but that's a common characteristic of all contenders in this particular voltage class... The ASC 12 is quite powerfull for a 11 V tool. Not much smaller than some 18 V drills though. But near 2500 rpm's in 4th Gear makes drilling and smaller screws real fast. That is more than most 18 V drills can do. Martin
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Post by henrun on Mar 18, 2018 11:48:21 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money. It is a great little drill and quite powerful too. I think it is very well geared: plenty strong in 1st and 2nd gear for general use and good for small drilling in 3rd and 4th. The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip!
It is a near perfect small drill/driver for general use. Could use a higher Ah battery though.
Haven't seen the new 18V line up in the flesh, the old 18V line is a bit clumsy.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 18, 2018 17:30:49 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money. It is a great little drill and quite powerful too. I think it is very well geared: plenty strong in 1st and 2nd gear for general use and good for small drilling in 3rd and 4th. The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip! It is a near perfect small drill/driver for general use. Could use a higher Ah battery though. Haven't seen the new 18V line up in the flesh, the old 18V line is a bit clumsy. If this ever came with a right angle I would be interested - sadly they never came out with one, despite numerous confirmation from the the company in social media stating otherwise. Maybe it is still in development or maybe they just scrapped the idea.
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Post by huntsgemein on Mar 18, 2018 18:50:58 GMT -5
Would the Metabo Powermaxx Pro Quick right angle drive attachment fit? The small one, I mean. The one that merely clips onto the drill's "quick" interface & locks rigidly to the slots in the drill body, not the bigger 18V drill version that utilizes the bigger drill's 43mm euro collar. The interfaces look superficially similar.
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Post by henrun on Mar 19, 2018 4:45:49 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money. It is a great little drill and quite powerful too. I think it is very well geared: plenty strong in 1st and 2nd gear for general use and good for small drilling in 3rd and 4th. The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip! It is a near perfect small drill/driver for general use. Could use a higher Ah battery though. Haven't seen the new 18V line up in the flesh, the old 18V line is a bit clumsy. If this ever came with a right angle I would be interested - sadly they never came out with one, despite numerous confirmation from the the company in social media stating otherwise. Maybe it is still in development or maybe they just scrapped the idea. I have seen a picture of the right angle unit - from the official agent in Sweden, he had it on his phone and had seen it. So it does exist. They are Festoolish in their sluggishness when it comes to providing any info on products. I had to source up the bit chuck myself online because my dealership could not find any info. The right angle unit was supposed to hit the shelves last year. Don't know what happened... They revamped the 18V line up and it has the same collet size as the ASCM 12 so things are looking good. Good but slow. Huntsgemein: no, the collets differ by a fraction of a mm so they won't fit. You can retrofit a Fein to a Festool, but with some modification as the ball detent is a hair off. As you know Festool fits on Metabo but not a Festool accessory on a Fein.
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 20, 2018 20:43:44 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money. It is a great little drill and quite powerful too. I think it is very well geared: plenty strong in 1st and 2nd gear for general use and good for small drilling in 3rd and 4th. The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip! It is a near perfect small drill/driver for general use. Could use a higher Ah battery though. Haven't seen the new 18V line up in the flesh, the old 18V line is a bit clumsy. I bought the ASCM 18 QXC. I sold the ASCM 18 QXC. Gear selector was better than the PDC. More power than the PDC. Alas, I learned that I hate soft start on drills and the electronic clutch was absolutely crap compared to the spot on Festools. Most importantly, I could breath on it and it would tip over. Seriously.
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 20, 2018 20:51:55 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money. It is a great little drill and quite powerful too. I think it is very well geared: plenty strong in 1st and 2nd gear for general use and good for small drilling in 3rd and 4th. The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip! It is a near perfect small drill/driver for general use. Could use a higher Ah battery though. Haven't seen the new 18V line up in the flesh, the old 18V line is a bit clumsy. If this ever came with a right angle I would be interested - sadly they never came out with one, despite numerous confirmation from the the company in social media stating otherwise. Maybe it is still in development or maybe they just scrapped the idea. You're speaking of Fein's calling card. They will send out press releases, spam social media, create brochures, announce a release date and then hopefully get it to your local store shelves within the next decade.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 20, 2018 22:40:50 GMT -5
If this ever came with a right angle I would be interested - sadly they never came out with one, despite numerous confirmation from the the company in social media stating otherwise. Maybe it is still in development or maybe they just scrapped the idea. You're speaking of Fein's calling card. They will send out press releases, spam social media, create brochures, announce a release date and then hopefully get it to your local store shelves within the next decade. Isn't that the truth. Unfortunate. I was in the market for a new drill and really wanted to give this one a go. But, it was a deal breaker and ended up with a FT drill instead - actually a couple of them .
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 22, 2018 22:51:35 GMT -5
I legitimately did not believe that the ASCM12 existed outside of prototypes, youtube reviews, and online vendor skus until henrun's FOG post about the one he had purchased out in the wilds of the real world.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Mar 22, 2018 23:52:24 GMT -5
You could change your avatar to Feinhunter...
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Post by matchesder on Mar 24, 2018 16:27:11 GMT -5
I have given the ASCM 12 a run for the money... ...The bit holder chuck is very good quality too, as is the Röhm drill chuck. Superb grip!... And in case not they have the bigger one from the ASCM 18 QM. And if that is not enough they seem to have a self tightening one. Not listet on theyre website yet but one can order it in a webstore Martin
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Post by huntsgemein on Mar 24, 2018 19:44:43 GMT -5
I think things are pretty tough for many of the "second tier" indigenous German tool manufacturers. Not just power tools, nor merely restricted to Germany either. The hand tool market seems to dominated by a select few giants that are swallowing up smaller competitors.
We've seen the demise of such well-known independent players as Belzer, Elu, Holz Her, Sandvik (tools), Pralines, etc. Other smaller &/or struggling manufacturers the likes of Kress, Fein, Eibenstock, Eisenblaetter, Perles, Flex, Casals, Felisatti, Irazola et. al. are also at risk of failure or being vacuumed up by others, with resultant localised job losses, with their unique designs & talents.
Sometimes bigger is not necessarily better. In other circumstances, the economies of scale associated with incorporation within multinational conglomerates may actually be advantageous.
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 25, 2018 0:53:54 GMT -5
You could change your avatar to Feinhunter... I could.
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