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Post by yetihunter on Mar 5, 2018 18:48:02 GMT -5
I miss the days when you could get a Ridgid badged Metabo for pennies on the dollar at Home Depot (true story).
Anyway, no experience (I don't think) but Hitachi nailers are super mega acclaimed in the US.
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Post by henrun on Mar 7, 2018 16:53:55 GMT -5
The Hitachi is so responsive because it is always "cocked" so there is no wind up when you press the trigger. There is no special sealed gas involved, just compressed air and it is apparently easy to service and top up with a regular compressor.
Metabo has had several parallell lines going over the years with three different classes of drills. LTX is the one to get, it is the professional grade stuff. Some LT are ok I guess and most rebadged were probably the lowest class of the three, don't remember if it was just called "L" as for Light (duty).
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 9, 2018 15:44:26 GMT -5
Metabo and Fein, both, really need to walk back and take a look at their obnoxious drill ranges and ask themselves, "why?".
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Post by kozn on Mar 11, 2018 9:51:15 GMT -5
I got the metabo LTX quick brushed version, I don't really like it. I mean it's a powerful drill but the attachments just have too much play. It is impossible to drill a nice round hole with the jacobs chuck and bit attachment has even more play but that I don't mind so much. A friend has a festool drill with quick attachments and the jacobs chuck seems to fit on my metabo and has much less play but I haven't drilled with it. Anybody here who uses the festool chuck on their Mafell/metabo drill? How does it drill, do you like it (better than the original metabo/mafell chuck)?
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Post by aas on Mar 11, 2018 12:47:43 GMT -5
I think the bit holder moves a little, but the chuck doesn't move - at least not on mine. The Festool quick release system is a tad larger than the Metabo, so it will surely move more. I have used my LTX in a drill support press and call drill spot on holes with no play.
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Post by kozn on Mar 11, 2018 13:02:37 GMT -5
I was thinking the same thing that the festool chuck should have more play but it doesn't. I believe there are variations on the metabo chucks. I should take my drill to a shop and test different chucks and buy the one with least amount of play but I can't find any stores locally that have chucks in stock. I can imagine that running the drill before touching the work piece gives a nicer hole, but for that I use my drill press. It's just for situation where I can't take the work piece to my drill press or where it doesn't fit under it.
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 11, 2018 19:25:56 GMT -5
Röhm makes the chucks and a good machinist Röhm chuck is north of $200-300 (they do have lower end ones for $100-200). Generally, the power tool grade chucks are $25-70 and they pump those puppies out for many power tool brands. At that volume coupled with much more laxed quality control, you will get bad apples in the mix. Contact Metabo and hopefully they'll offer to send you a good one. The corded beastly Metabo drill I used to own had horrible runout. However, it was also a hundred bucks and basic old engineering. I wouldn't expect noticeable runout on their modern premium cordless line.
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Post by kozn on Mar 11, 2018 20:25:20 GMT -5
I do think there will always be some play on those quick attachments but compared to the festool chuck it's just too much on my drill. And when I noticed the play I went to my official metabo dealer who send it in but I got it back with a sticker on the handle (that's a pain in the *$$ to remove) and a note saying they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Just like my jigsaw the first time it got send in. I got to say I'm not to happy with the CS of metabo. They claim you get your tool back within a week but two times I had to wait for at least two weeks before I got my tool back. How do people that live of their tools deal with this? Buy everything twice? I don't think that metabo deals with customers directly but I might give it try anyway. Thanks for the tip.
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Post by aas on Mar 12, 2018 3:32:56 GMT -5
The Mafell/Metabo chucks don't fit on the Festool drills, the Festool chucks do fit the other way around. If you are finding that the Festool chuck doesn't have more play, there is something wrong with your Metabo chuck... try to find another one to test. The Metabo chucks are made by Rohm as mentioned above, although it will be the quick release base that is causing the problem. I have Metabo, Mafell and Festool chucks, and I the biggest amount of play is the Centrotec on the A10M.
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Post by bicycleclip on Mar 12, 2018 3:33:53 GMT -5
I've exactly the same experience with the Metabo Quick attachments. In this case, it's with the Metabo BE75 - the low speed high torque corded drill. With a 450mm auger bit I found I could move the far end of the bit by around 10mm. I've fixed this by using augers in a BST Bohrstation which completely removes this problem. It is still quite disappointing though. Here's an example mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/post/17337NB: the You-Tube clip is nothing to do with me - as I've mentioned, when I use the BST there is practically no run-out at all.
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Post by huntsgemein on Mar 12, 2018 7:31:22 GMT -5
I have nothing but praise for my 2 Metabo c/less drills. In comparison to my previous drills: Festool, Bosch (Swiss), & earlier generation (German) Metabos they're streets ahead. Faster speeds, more power, more torque & generally much more versatile & sophisticated in operation. I also consider them decidedly superior to others I've tried (borrowed & trialled) along the way: Makita, Milwaukee & later-gen. (Malay-made) Bosch.
My 2 are a Gen.II Powermaxx BS Quick Pro & BS 18 LTX BL Q I. I also occasionally use a Festool FX chuck on both. Personally I'm unimpressed with Festool's chuck, as I am with the rest of their cordless tools & accessories. The chuck's plastic exterior becomes slippery in heavy duty use, making rapid tooling changes difficult. This is never a problem with Metabo's 1/2" heavily knurled metal bodied chucks. Not wanting to damage any cylindrical shanks unnecessarily, I usually restrict the Festool chuck to securely grip hex shanked tooling such as Holesaw arbors, driving bits etc. OK, the little 10.8v drill is pretty gutless in all but smaller diameter boring & driving tasks, but that's a common characteristic of all contenders in this particular voltage class. The 1/2" Festool & Metabo chucks are usable on either drill. The 43mm Euro standard collar on the 18v Metabos, the accessory heavy duty angle drives & torque multipliers makes them altogether a quantum leap ahead in terms of their versatility.
My Metabo is capable of ridiculously inappropriate tasks: for example digging fencing post-holes 7" (180mm) wide with an earth auger & reduction gearbox attachment. The former province of dedicated gasoline powered tools! From a mere 18v cordless drill, it's capabilities in all but the stoniest ground is nothing short of amazing.
Unlike other "quick" chuck change systems I've used, I've found the concentricity spot-on. Amazingly so, in fact. I regularly use the bigger LTX drill in a drill press/stand for small diameter precision metal drilling where accuracy counts: through-holes in tubular & solid steel rounds, for example. I've tried different quick-change systems from Metabo (UHE28 Multi Quick) & Milwaukee (Kango 240 Fixtec) and found them to be hopelessly & uselessly non-concentric. I otherwise generally use an old 1000w AEG in the press normally. I've fitted an excellent 1/2" Metabo Futuro plus locking "one way" (i.e. non-reversible??, non-impact) chuck on the AEG.
I've heard criticism of Metabo's "soft start" characteristics. For me personally, it's a godsend. I love the finesse offered with a slower windup to full selected speed & torque output. This feature, especially when coupled with the unique Impuls feature allows smooth, accurate & trouble-free drilling in extremely difficult or for other tools all but impossible tasks like smooth, fragile ceramic tile, glass etc.
Some don't like Metabo's cordless drills because they squeak. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? As far as I'm concerned they can whistle "Dixie" to me for all I care. Sometimes, in extreme conditions in a darkened subfloor or roof crawlspace, at full stretch & unseen between inaccessible joists an audible feedback of drill operation is a positive safety measure that I find extremely reassuring.
I've yet to find a better tool for my own personal suite of requirements. My only problem is in choosing my next one between the incredible 1/2" GB 18 LTX Q I auto reversing tapping drill that has unrivalled metalwork threading capabilities, & the sheetmetal specialist BS 18 LTX-3 Q I 3-speed version. Unfortunately I can't afford both.
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Post by bicycleclip on Mar 12, 2018 8:05:28 GMT -5
My Metabo is capable of ridiculously inappropriate tasks: for example digging fencing post-holes 7" (180mm) wide with an earth auger & reduction gearbox attachment. The former province of dedicated gasoline powered tools! From a mere 18v cordless drill, it's capabilities in all but the stoniest ground is nothing short of amazing. huntsgemein sir, where do you buy the compatible earth auger? When I looked they all had a sort of a cam at the top of the shaft which I assumed was to allow them to fit into a petrol driven augerer.
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Post by huntsgemein on Mar 12, 2018 8:24:20 GMT -5
www.amazon.com/Power-Planter-7″x28″-Extended-Length/dp/B00P81444Eactually found mine (a shorter, cheaper, discontinued?? variant) on flea-bay. You'll really need a gutsy drill (& strong shoulders) to drive this one, esp. in undisturbed & compacted sites. Aside from the X-3 Torque Multiplier/reduction gearbox, you also need that super-long extension handle just to counter the extreme torque reaction. A safety clutch is another virtually mandatory requirement too, as the reaction to hitting a large, offset embedded stone can be quite violent. I've also used a corded Bosch GSH 162-2 drill, which is a 16mm. specialist core drill rated at 162mm, but supposedly capable of handling up to 250mm dia. diamond cores. It has 1500w input, & the requisite (non-adjustable) safety clutch & a nice long, strong alloy auxiliary handle with positive "keyway" location. But the Metabo's actually better. With the reduction gears it can run flat out for max fan cooling yet still has a lovely slow, steady rate of revolutions to keep things nice & safe. The Bosch, even in low gear, still turns a bit too fast for tough going.
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Post by yetihunter on Mar 12, 2018 14:56:47 GMT -5
I do think there will always be some play on those quick attachments but compared to the festool chuck it's just too much on my drill. And when I noticed the play I went to my official metabo dealer who send it in but I got it back with a sticker on the handle (that's a pain in the *$$ to remove) and a note saying they couldn't find anything wrong with it. Just like my jigsaw the first time it got send in. I got to say I'm not to happy with the CS of metabo. They claim you get your tool back within a week but two times I had to wait for at least two weeks before I got my tool back. How do people that live of their tools deal with this? Buy everything twice? I don't think that metabo deals with customers directly but I might give it try anyway. Thanks for the tip. That sucks. I can't comment on Metabo's current CS here in the states because I ditched them back when they were still family owned. Mostly over local availability issues.... which their should have been none of in my area. They've been improving under KKR, of all things. Pigs flying with that statement. Can someone confirm whether or not the Mafell drills are soft start, too? I'm in the camp that doesn't like that.
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Post by kozn on Mar 12, 2018 20:01:35 GMT -5
Thank you all for the comments, gave some food for thought. My 2 are a Gen.II Powermaxx BS Quick Pro & BS 18 LTX BL Q I. I also occasionally use a Festool FX chuck on both. Personally I'm unimpressed with Festool's chuck, as I am with the rest of their cordless tools & accessories. The chuck's plastic exterior becomes slippery in heavy duty use, making rapid tooling changes difficult. This is never a problem with Metabo's 1/2" heavily knurled metal bodied chucks. Well the chuck of the festool my friend owns is metal chuck and felt like it was good build and he seems very happy with it, but that's only looks and feel I haven't drilled with it.
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