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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 26, 2014 1:48:55 GMT -5
Just seen mafell have a new sander maybe our friends in germany can tell us about it  |
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Post by jonathan on Mar 26, 2014 6:30:52 GMT -5
Looks like an ROS version of their vibration free sheet sander. Too bad I already bought a Mirka Deros about 3 months ago  |
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Post by jonathan on Mar 26, 2014 11:45:47 GMT -5
Oh and very nice find wrightwoodwork!  |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 26, 2014 11:53:18 GMT -5
Yeah it was on there Facebook page. How you like the abranet net paper that is used with the mirka.
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Post by jonathan on Mar 26, 2014 13:04:59 GMT -5
From 100 grit and up it's the best thing I've used so far.
Pro
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It has longer life than any other sanding paper I know of. Festool's Granat might come close though.
It also has a very nice sanding pattern. With that I mean that in my opinion it leaves less visible swirl marks than for example Festool's paper.
Doesn't need you to align any holes, you can just slap it on. (This applies to Abranet, not Abranet HD, which works with holes)
Awesome dust collection.
Very little if any melting and gumming of the paper with residue.
Cons
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It can get expensive.
It's pretty agressive. I'd say Abranet 100 compares better to a Granat 80 than it does to Granat 100.
The lower grits (Abranet HD) loose their bite pretty fast in my experience. I'm not a fan of those.
For the low grits (40, 60, 80) I do prefer Festool's Granat paper. It keeps it's bite longer. I was quite shocked to find out how fast Abranet HD lost it's bite.
I found a serious downside to using Festool paper on the Mirka Deros however.
Festools paper doesn't seem to stick to the Deros' pad as well as Abranet. After X time of sanding the Mirka's sanding pad tends to slip and starts to strip all the fabric/wool (don't really know what material it is) off Festools sandpaper back.
I've had a few papers fly all the way to the other side of the room... First time I was like WTF...!?
Overall I really like Abranet. It gets the job done quicker and in my opinion it leaves a noticealble nicer finish due to the abrasive pattern it creates. I know it sounds subjective and it's the kind of thing that's hard to explain without seeing it side by side I guess. So yeah I can heartily recommend Abranet.
And oh yeah, I really want to like Mafell's new offering, but it just seems too big and heavy to beat the Mirka Deros' 1kg one handed use. Only thing the Mafell will likely will have over the Mirka is no vibration. The Deros does still have some. I still get tingling fingers after an hour or 2 unfortunately.
But I have to tell you, the very small size, low weight and low noise levels make the Deros a real delight to use! That and there's just extremely little dust as you can run your vac full blast, no need to turn it down. Collection is even better than what I've seen with Festool. But I think that's mainly because of Abranet, not the design of the sander.
Yeah, thinking on it, if you need a new random orbit right now, I would say look no further than a Deros. The Mafell will probably also be top notch again as well, as usual.
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Post by 7 on Mar 26, 2014 22:03:13 GMT -5
Is it just me or do all of the Mafell sanders look like they have bad ergonomics and a really high center of gravity? Anyone with any experience using them that can compare them to other sanders we might be more familiar with?
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Post by jonathan on Mar 27, 2014 1:29:30 GMT -5
Is it just me or do all of the Mafell sanders look like they have bad ergonomics and a really high center of gravity? Anyone with any experience using them that can compare them to other sanders we might be more familiar with? Haven't used one myself so this is hearsay. But from the few reviews I've read, Mafell's new sheet sander has excellent ergonomics and balance. It looks tall because of the integrated turbine (that lets you sand virtually dust free even without a vacuum) and the motor that's detatched from the housing (so you get a virtually vibration-free sander with these bad boys). If you look at Festool's ETS/3 & ETS/5, they too look just as big and heavy. If I were a betting man, I'd bet the looks are just deceiving. I do agree, they look big, and you probably won't want to do ceilings or drywall with them. After all this is Mafell we're talking about. They don't bring out a ton of tools but when they do, you're pretty much guaranteed it's awesome, right? I have little doubt these sanders are competing for best in class. A sander with no vibration that is dust free without a vacuum look like pretty big innovations to me! Actually, it looks like another P1cc case, re-inventing a tool and eliminating issues that are inherent to it. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 27, 2014 5:15:14 GMT -5
I haven't used the mafell sanders either, but I have a Hilti wfo280 which is almost identical just not as refined as far as comfort in use goes. I find it pretty good ergonomically for sanding at a bench etc. Jobs like sanding drywall and ceilings it's not intended to be used that way
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 27, 2014 11:41:45 GMT -5
Just heard a little more about mafell's new sanders there is meant to be 2 models one with 3mm orbit and one with 5mm orbit
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Post by sgtrjp on Mar 27, 2014 13:19:41 GMT -5
This is kinda sounding(and looking) like the Festool ETS. Although this describes a sander which will do either 3mm and 6mm orbit which does sound like an advantage. UT150
It would be great if it had multi-jetstream. |
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 27, 2014 17:54:53 GMT -5
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Post by 7 on Mar 27, 2014 22:53:37 GMT -5
Is it just me or do all of the Mafell sanders look like they have bad ergonomics and a really high center of gravity? Anyone with any experience using them that can compare them to other sanders we might be more familiar with? Haven't used one myself so this is hearsay. But from the few reviews I've read, Mafell's new sheet sander has excellent ergonomics and balance. It looks tall because of the integrated turbine (that lets you sand virtually dust free even without a vacuum) and the motor that's detatched from the housing (so you get a virtually vibration-free sander with these bad boys). If you look at Festool's ETS/3 & ETS/5, they too look just as big and heavy. If I were a betting man, I'd bet the looks are just deceiving. I do agree, they look big, and you probably won't want to do ceilings or drywall with them. After all this is Mafell we're talking about. They don't bring out a ton of tools but when they do, you're pretty much guaranteed it's awesome, right? I have little doubt these sanders are competing for best in class. A sander with no vibration that is dust free without a vacuum look like pretty big innovations to me! Actually, it looks like another P1cc case, re-inventing a tool and eliminating issues that are inherent to it. I would be almost shocked at this point if I found out that mafell made anything that wasn't meticulously thought out and executed. For some reason the sanders and the battery powered drill look like they would not be comfortable to use and are just a bit goofy looking. I assume they would work very well they just look really odd to me. |
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Post by jonathan on Mar 28, 2014 14:08:20 GMT -5
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Post by jonathan on Mar 28, 2014 14:31:11 GMT -5
Quick summary translatations for the time being. Mind you I'm not a native German speaker but I can understand most of it. Anyone with a better understanding is of course welcome to correct any mistakes and provide more accurate/additional information  - Eccentric sander with 150mm diameter pad.
[/span] [li]As indicated on the front, a version with 3mm stroke and a 5mm stroke version.[/li] [li]Motor makes up to 12000 revolutions/minute. This higher rotation speed enables faster material removal.[/li] [li]Vibration-free on all 3 handling positions, front grip, rubberized top and pistol grip. Meaning the sanders fall well below the 2,5m/sec 2 threshold.[/li] [li]Excellent dust extraction even without a vacuum attached, due to built in turbine for extraction.[/li] [li]Built-in and easily adjusted edge guard to protect the edges of the pad and sandpaper. This also prevents damage to the adjoining vertical surface.[/li] [li]Standard pad for universal use & additional hard pad for large surfaces as available as accessory.[/li] [li]Comes with Abranet sandpaper with a protection layer for the sanding pad. Extra soft pad for rounded work available as accessory.[/li] [li]This isn't mentioned on the video, but the new Mafell sanders also feature a very quick brake allowing you to more quickly put aside the sander, rather than having to wait until the pad stops spinning before continuing work.[/li] |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 28, 2014 14:38:59 GMT -5
Pretty good how it sucks up the dust
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