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Post by salmon on Apr 3, 2021 11:00:17 GMT -5
Has anyone checked out the new metabo cordless extractor (ASR 36-18 BL 25 M SC). Any thoughts on this paired with a MT55 cordless. Extractor seems to work remotely by sensing tool vibration.
I currently run a 110v setup, with mt55, mafell jigsaw, metabo 110v extractor. Had been thinking about upgrading and saying bye bye to the 110v..
Wrong thread - but hopefully Mafell will release a cordless jigsaw?
In any case this looks like a huge step forwards to rival Festool's bluetooth extraction system.
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Post by aas on Apr 3, 2021 12:19:20 GMT -5
I've looked at the Metabo cordless vac - it's on my wish list, but not likely for this year at least!
There is a thread about the cordless P1CC somewhere on this forum. It is a 'project', it will not be released this year, maybe not even next year. Hopefully the extra time working on the tool will avoid the battery being stuck on like the MT55 'growth'!.. I have visions of the P1 BL 18M with the MT55 battery sticking out to one side!
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Post by salmon on Apr 3, 2021 14:15:56 GMT -5
I've taken the plunge and ordered the vac so will try to report back.
Thanks for the news on the cordless P1cc.
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Post by salmon on Apr 11, 2021 11:45:12 GMT -5
ok so I ordered the Metabo cordless vac along with 4 x 10ah batteries. Felt quite expensive and extravagant, but given that my corded Metabo vac was sterling in service I thought long term this would be justified.
Quick feedback - new vac is excellent, really strong suction power, remote switch is really useful and somehow the vibration sensor just works. I trimmed a door down in a client's bedroom with the MT55 18v hooked up to the vac. Dust extraction was excellent, and like magic the VAC comes on when you start up your power tool.
Main downside is that the batteries don't last that long (2 x 10ah). Not using the vac for much and after day 1 batteries needed recharging. Charging is pretty quick in the new metabo dual charger (maybe an hour or hour and a haf). Would be nice to have an option for the vac to also be mains powered/corded. (Bit like their radio!)
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Post by alvychippy on Apr 11, 2021 16:01:02 GMT -5
Main downside is that the batteries don't last that long (2 x 10ah) From the start, this chase after cordless "solution" is bit of a joke Thus is, when batteries cost way more than actual tools they power, but aren't as long lasting and/or become off ballance and generally too heavy without a proper reason for
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Post by aas on Apr 11, 2021 16:42:43 GMT -5
Not having power is a proper reason for...
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Post by kraftt on Apr 11, 2021 21:09:56 GMT -5
A full days use + great vac performance, I’d be fine with that. You’ve always got to recharge batts sometime. The vibration on/off sensing really makes sense and I’m sure it’s the way everyones going to go, (as long as it has manual on / off button too). I’m hoping the vibration sensing chip / module is just an off the shelve programable part (and not proprietary) because then maybe we'll start to see, and can buy, stand alone project kits and adapt it in into other stuff.
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Post by salmon on Apr 18, 2021 16:02:58 GMT -5
I had a job last week - shelving unit for a shower room in a loft. Bathroom guys were working in the loft, I was down on the drive. Instructions not to leave front door open in case the cat 'got confused'.
Built the shelving unit mainly using the Mt55 18v, no mains cables around.. managed to forget the hose for my new vac.. so used the Mafell dust catcher - the latter is not a substitute for dust extraction..
Long and short of it -- working with battery was beautiful - I had to nip out for lunch and later nip out to look at a joh.. putting tools away was alot easier than the usual unplugging everything, reeeling in cables etc..
So now fully convinced that battery is the way to go... (even offered the Mrs to hoover the kitchen with my new cordless vac).
Still development to be made and in terms of mitre saw, I don't see any compelling alternatives to the Festool Kapex 60... and short of winning the lottery can't see me getting Festools new £3k battery..
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Post by salmon on Apr 18, 2021 16:08:49 GMT -5
A full days use + great vac performance, I’d be fine with that. You’ve always got to recharge batts sometime. The vibration on/off sensing really makes sense and I’m sure it’s the way everyones going to go, (as long as it has manual on / off button too). I’m hoping the vibration sensing chip / module is just an off the shelve programable part (and not proprietary) because then maybe we'll start to see, and can buy, stand alone project kits and adapt it in into other stuff. So far I've found with the new Metabo cordless vac/extractor... you'd probably get 1 or 2 hours out of it if you ran it on medium to high suction - on 2 x 18v 10a batteries.
So for continued use, 4 x 10ah batteries required.
I have accepted this.. but a really nice feature would be a mains option as well..
Sometimes we don't need to move around with an extractor... would be fantastic if Metabo could offer that option of battery and mains.
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Post by aas on Apr 19, 2021 12:39:04 GMT -5
Still development to be made and in terms of mitre saw, I don't see any compelling alternatives to the Festool Kapex 60... and short of winning the lottery can't see me getting Festools new £3k battery.. I sold the 2x 18v Makita to get the Kapex 60 - good decision. From what I've heard Makita have stepped up the game with the new 40v (well 36v really) XGT Mitre saw. Would take a lot for me to go back to a big battery mitre saw. Small on battery, big on mains.
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Post by henrun on Apr 20, 2021 1:18:45 GMT -5
Vacs are real battery drainers, I could not at this time justify the expense and I have enough batteries to keep track of with charging and managing.
That said there are numerous time I could have used a small powerful battery vac.
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Post by aas on Apr 20, 2021 5:20:39 GMT -5
I agree with you - it's mainly the expense and hassle of keeping enough batteries charged.
Battery technology has advanced so much in every area - less weight, more run time, lower charge time, higher power delivery - but we still not there for intensive power drain tools.
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Post by salmon on Apr 21, 2021 16:07:22 GMT -5
I agree with you - it's mainly the expense and hassle of keeping enough batteries charged. Battery technology has advanced so much in every area - less weight, more run time, lower charge time, higher power delivery - but we still not there for intensive power drain tools. Yep I think small vac is key.. and probably biased, but have my eyes on Metabo's new small vac... when you just need to hoover small bits of dust and bits and bobs and lugging in the big boy is going to be a pain.
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Post by aas on Apr 23, 2021 12:43:58 GMT -5
Give us some feed back if you get it. Seems to have the same specs as the Systainer vac from Metabo
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Post by salmon on May 7, 2021 15:47:20 GMT -5
Small vac and metabo cordless sander still to appear in shops/retailers over here.
Big cordless vac still appreciated, but managed to lose the cordless remote control switch..
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