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Post by holmz on Aug 20, 2020 14:57:34 GMT -5
I would be disinclined to get a battery powered saw, but it seems like the main reason to get the Bosch.
(Providing one already had the batteries)
There are just too many cuts to count on not always charging, and the vacuums turns on when the saw starts,
(And I am not even a professional... I would imagine they would be sawing more?)
I would have thought that the big cities would have some saw available to demo...
I suspect you are relatively remote and not in Madrid or Toledo?
In reality you cannot likely go too wrong with the Bosch as technology is generally improving., and even the lower quality saws are largely on par with decades old gear.
But then again I got the MT55 when my Czech saw "caca de perro'ed"... I was sick on second rate tools that kids-sorta worked, but never well enough to not loose weeks in repair quotes.
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Post by aas on Aug 20, 2020 15:46:10 GMT -5
and even the lower quality saws are largely on par with decades old gear. Funny, I was using my 30 year old Elu router today - was pondering how the decades old gear was so well made... |
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Post by iban on Aug 20, 2020 15:52:50 GMT -5
I would be disinclined to get a battery powered saw, but it seems like the main reason to get the Bosch. (Providing one already had the batteries) There are just too many cuts to count on not always charging, and the vacuums turns on when the saw starts, (And I am not even a professional... I would imagine they would be sawing more?) I would have thought that the big cities would have some saw available to demo... I suspect you are relatively remote and not in Madrid or Toledo? In reality you cannot likely go too wrong with the Bosch as technology is generally improving., and even the lower quality saws are largely on par with decades old gear. But then again I got the MT55 when my Czech saw "caca de perro'ed"... I was sick on second rate tools that kids-sorta worked, but never well enough to not loose weeks in repair quotes. I´m in Bilbao, in the north. I know a Mafell dealer but I not sure if I I can borrow a saw from them. Perhaps making a couple of cuts in front of them. Bosch cordless. Pros: I have a bunch of bosch batteries. Price. Cordless Cons: New and low tested. Less cut deph (140mm blade). Fear of unacurate/filimsy base or knobs... Bosch corded. Pros: I have several 165mm blades. Price Cons: Fear of getting a unit with twisted base or lack of accuracy with angle cutting. Mafell corded. Pros: Accuracy. Dust collection. Cool features. Strong construction. Cons: 160mm expensive blades. Price. |
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Post by aas on Aug 20, 2020 16:07:26 GMT -5
In your list, the Mafell is the only 'no fear' option!
I've not used the Bosch corded, just picked it up and had a look... the cordless looks really impressive - wasn't aware of the 140mm blade though, a bit off-putting.
Each time I try to economise by not buying what I 'really' want, I end up regretting it.
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Post by kraftt on Aug 20, 2020 18:08:33 GMT -5
Mafell corded. Pros: Accuracy. Dust collection. Cool features. Strong construction. Cons: 160mm expensive blades. Price. Did you mean the 162's are expensive (?). I find reasonable options in 160mm (Tenryu etc.). Just in case you aren't already aware, many here run 165's in their MT's. I do as well. Not a recommendation, just saying. Any clearance issues are instantly, automatically and professionally machined away for you. |
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Post by iban on Aug 20, 2020 19:14:46 GMT -5
Mafell corded. Pros: Accuracy. Dust collection. Cool features. Strong construction. Cons: 160mm expensive blades. Price. Did you mean the 162's are expensive (?). I find reasonable options in 160mm (Tenryu etc.). Just in case you aren't already aware, many here run 165's in their MT's. I do as well. Not a recommendation, just saying. Any clearance issues are instantly, automatically and professionally machined away for you. Do you need to do any modification in tha saw? |
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Post by iban on Aug 20, 2020 19:27:58 GMT -5
In your list, the Mafell is the only 'no fear' option! I've not used the Bosch corded, just picked it up and had a look... the cordless looks really impressive - wasn't aware of the 140mm blade though, a bit off-putting. Each time I try to economise by not buying what I 'really' want, I end up regretting it. Despite the blade diameter, the cut depth is 52mm Wise words |
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Post by kraftt on Aug 20, 2020 22:35:17 GMT -5
Do you need to do any modification in tha saw? Depending on how door pins were drilled at factory (+/-) the teeth on a 165 might slightly brush the bottom of door when fully opened for a blade change. Haven’t heard others complain of this so I assume mine was on the minus side. I notched the inside of my door (can’t tell from outside / door closed) for clearance but didn’t really have to. When door is closed, unmodified, there are no clearance issues at bottom of door. During a plunge there are no clearance issues either. Only when blade is returned does it have a chance of slightly / momentarily scoring top of inner shroud - due to force of rebound hitting a concealed urethane bumper and closing the distance on what was tight clearance at the top. (instant machining). It’s rare that I need the extra 1.5mm depth of running a 165, more to do with blade options. It’s just a tool, though a good tool, so I don’t mind modifying it somewhat. If you get your mafell you could spin a 165 with door opened / saw de-energized (defeat door lock by pushing in with screwdriver) and decide on clearances yourself.  (edit: photo got corrupted on host - had to upload new image) |
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Post by iban on Aug 21, 2020 4:43:18 GMT -5
Do you need to do any modification in tha saw? Depending on how door pins were drilled at factory (+/-) the teeth on a 165 might slightly brush the bottom of door when fully opened for a blade change. Haven’t heard others complain of this so I assume mine was on the minus side. I notched the inside of my door (can’t tell from outside / door closed) for clearance but didn’t really have to. When door is closed, unmodified, there are no clearance issues at bottom of door. During a plunge there are no clearance issues either. Only when blade is returned does it have a chance of slightly / momentarily scoring top of inner shroud - due to force of rebound hitting a concealed urethane bumper and closing the distance on what was tight clearance at the top. (instant machining). It’s rare that I need the extra 1.5mm depth of running a 165, more to do with blade options. It’s just a tool, though a good tool, so I don’t mind modifying it somewhat. If you get your mafell you could spin a 165 with door opened / saw de-energized (defeat door lock by pushing in with screwdriver) and decide on clearances yourself.  How did you grind the notch under the blade was grinded by you? |
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Post by holmz on Aug 21, 2020 4:55:12 GMT -5
I would be disinclined to get a battery powered saw, but it seems like the main reason to get the Bosch. (Providing one already had the batteries) There are just too many cuts to count on not always charging, and the vacuums turns on when the saw starts, (And I am not even a professional... I would imagine they would be sawing more?) I would have thought that the big cities would have some saw available to demo... I suspect you are relatively remote and not in Madrid or Toledo? In reality you cannot likely go too wrong with the Bosch as technology is generally improving., and even the lower quality saws are largely on par with decades old gear. But then again I got the MT55 when my Czech saw "caca de perro'ed"... I was sick on second rate tools that kids-sorta worked, but never well enough to not loose weeks in repair quotes. I´m in Bilbao, in the north. I know a Mafell dealer but I not sure if I I can borrow a saw from them. Perhaps making a couple of cuts in front of them. Bosch cordless. Pros: I have a bunch of bosch batteries. Price. Cordless Cons: New and low tested. Less cut deph (140mm blade). Fear of unacurate/filimsy base or knobs... Bosch corded. Pros: I have several 165mm blades. Price Cons: Fear of getting a unit with twisted base or lack of accuracy with angle cutting. Mafell corded. Pros: Accuracy. Dust collection. Cool features. Strong construction. Cons: 160mm expensive blades. Price. Well done with the pro and cons. - how many blades do you use a year? - do you expect to do cordless or do you work near an outlet? - would the Bosch dealer offer a Warrenty/return for the base being true? |
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Post by aas on Aug 21, 2020 5:30:49 GMT -5
- how many blades do you use a year? This is a very good question. It's so easy to complain about the cost of blades that can be resharpened (no change in cost to sharpen a cheap blade or expensive blade) - when in reality, a well cared for blade will last years and years.
The Mafell blades are truly excellent. If the idea is to use cheap blades, buy a cheap saw!
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Post by kraftt on Aug 21, 2020 9:08:09 GMT -5
How did you grind the notch under the blade was grinded by you? By hand with a file, was in a mood, prob couldn't do it again. After I got a straight line, finished up with fine sand paper in opposite direction to give it that look. Doubt you'll need the clearance. |
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Post by iban on Aug 21, 2020 11:12:59 GMT -5
I´m in Bilbao, in the north. I know a Mafell dealer but I not sure if I I can borrow a saw from them. Perhaps making a couple of cuts in front of them. Bosch cordless. Pros: I have a bunch of bosch batteries. Price. Cordless Cons: New and low tested. Less cut deph (140mm blade). Fear of unacurate/filimsy base or knobs... Bosch corded. Pros: I have several 165mm blades. Price Cons: Fear of getting a unit with twisted base or lack of accuracy with angle cutting. Mafell corded. Pros: Accuracy. Dust collection. Cool features. Strong construction. Cons: 160mm expensive blades. Price. Well done with the pro and cons. - how many blades do you use a year? - do you expect to do cordless or do you work near an outlet? - would the Bosch dealer offer a Warrenty/return for the base being true? - Being honest. Very few... I´m not a pro - I won´t be far from an outlet. - Yeah I have a 14 days return option or 30 from Amazon |
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Post by iban on Aug 21, 2020 11:13:48 GMT -5
- how many blades do you use a year? This is a very good question. It's so easy to complain about the cost of blades that can be resharpened (no change in cost to sharpen a cheap blade or expensive blade) - when in reality, a well cared for blade will last years and years.
The Mafell blades are truly excellent. If the idea is to use cheap blades, buy a cheap saw!
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Post by iban on Aug 21, 2020 11:22:23 GMT -5
How did you grind the notch under the blade was grinded by you? By hand with a file, was in a mood, prob couldn't do it again. After I got a straight line, finished up with fine sand paper in opposite direction to give it that look. Doubt you'll need the clearance. Well done |
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Good point