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Post by alvychippy on Aug 18, 2020 12:02:07 GMT -5
I already saw the video wich is nice but the Bosch isn´t tested with the apropiate battery. A procore 8ah would be a better option as the saw is supposed to work better with procore technology. (not fluent in German, couldn't finish watching the vid) If to accept second or 3'rd best for the cut quality Bosch is better option, even battery capacity is irrelevant.. even though it's new saw, reliability isn't proven yet, but by all means worth trying and would be appreciated, if you could post back your experience? |
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Post by aas on Aug 18, 2020 13:55:32 GMT -5
Been spending a lot on vacs, hoses, dust extraction, tools that work better with dust extraction... when I think all the years I worked without... not good!
I like using the MT55 18v with the bluetooth vac - it is easier to manage just a hose than a hose and cable. Of course it's a luxury to have the choice and have different plunge saws set up with different blades.
I've got aluminium neg rake blades in most of my mitre saws, and available for most saws I own - I find them safer and give a good consistent cut
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Post by hecon5 on Aug 18, 2020 14:47:53 GMT -5
Having both...if you intend to use it often (or just need dead on), I think the MT55 is better than the Bosch version. Build is more solid, I find the blade removal on the Bosch to be...difficult. the Mt55 door is novel, easy, and dang does it do dust collection well.
The only downside is the 165mm blade issue. Otherwise...build quality, power, dust collection, adjustment, etc. Are better in the Mt55 by a lot (opinion).
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Post by iban on Aug 18, 2020 16:32:33 GMT -5
Having both...if you intend to use it often (or just need dead on), I think the MT55 is better than the Bosch version. Build is more solid, I find the blade removal on the Bosch to be...difficult. the Mt55 door is novel, easy, and dang does it do dust collection well. The only downside is the 165mm blade issue. Otherwise...build quality, power, dust collection, adjustment, etc. Are better in the Mt55 by a lot (opinion). Not very very often. I can live without the quick blade change and better dust collection. Even without the better construction IF the Bosch cuts good 90 degree correctly, the plate base is flat and it does not desalign when cutting 45 degree and going back to 90. These are my fears as I've read this cons to some users. Does your Bosch has any of this problems? It would be nice to use all the expert for wood 165 Bosch blades I have (the new optimized for battery and the old thicker ones). This is something to consider but not decisive. |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 18, 2020 17:13:13 GMT -5
Having both...if you intend to use it often (or just need dead on), I think the MT55 is better than the Bosch version. Build is more solid, I find the blade removal on the Bosch to be...difficult. the Mt55 door is novel, easy, and dang does it do dust collection well. The only downside is the 165mm blade issue. Otherwise...build quality, power, dust collection, adjustment, etc. Are better in the Mt55 by a lot (opinion). Not very very often. I can live without the quick blade change and better dust collection. Even without the better construction IF the Bosch cuts good 90 degree correctly, the plate base is flat and it does not desalign when cutting 45 degree and going back to 90. These are my fears as I've read this cons to some users. Does your Bosch has any of this problems? It would be nice to use all the expert for wood 165 Bosch blades I have (the new optimized for battery and the old thicker ones). This is something to consider but not decisive. With plunge saws, you are aught to keep blades as per specified, using thinner or thicker kerf will cause variety of issues, notably guide rail splinter will be suitable for one saw and one size blade for 90° (and /or) 45° ... I don't have separate rails, nor I need them, but theoretically splinter guard becomes absolete as (mt55) cut is 2-3mm away from it on to the right. As it comes to gkt55 90°, it locks one end only, hence (almost) all gkt55's end up with base wonky, hence inaccurate... The new Bosch cordless plunge isn't GKT55 identical, might not have same wonky base flaw, might end up being great saw. |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 18, 2020 17:37:23 GMT -5
Reading again, as what are your priorities seem to be, I'd suggest Makita 36v saw... Be it with new batteries, but new Bosch plunge saw require new batteries anyway?
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Post by hecon5 on Aug 18, 2020 18:07:13 GMT -5
I'll check it out, I don't remember, but wasn't looking for it, honestly. I like my Mt55 so much I have honestly not given a fair shake to the Bosch. I'll poke it and write up some info in a bit.
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Post by iban on Aug 18, 2020 19:10:39 GMT -5
Roger that
I would go for the makita if I were in the Makita ecosystem but all my cordless are bosch and I have a bunch of batteries including procores 8mah. Also I already have a couple of bosch rail tracks (which I use with a gks 18v 56 g circular saw from Bosch) I´m waiting to watch honest reviews of the new gtk 18v but there are strange things happening with that saw.
When some of the first units were sold, some german users started talking in the german Bosch forum about some problems with the rail tightening knobs arguing that there was play with the saw in the guide, about problems with the dust extraction, the depth scale does not show on/off rail measure, only off rail, filmsy base, bad plastic finish... as there are some serious production problems.
Also the tiny 140mm blade (to mantain cut performance I believe) is a little "Ugh".
After pages and pages of post (some of them of very angry people) Bosch answer they are taking care of the problems and they will solve in the next units. (But what happens with the already sold units?).
Suddenly there is no shop with the saw in stock (at least in Europe as far as I know)
For that reason my mail options are the mt55 or the gkt55 but I´m no hurry and I´m curious to see what happen with the gkt 18v
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Post by iban on Aug 18, 2020 19:27:16 GMT -5
I'll check it out, I don't remember, but wasn't looking for it, honestly. I like my Mt55 so much I have honestly not given a fair shake to the Bosch. I'll poke it and write up some info in a bit. Thanks! A flat base and a straigth 90 degree cut would give me hope in this tool... |
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 18, 2020 22:54:54 GMT -5
I like the Festool cordless and the Mafell MT55. I think it is worth spending a little extra for the Mafell. In North America you are only a few dollars more vs buying the Bosch and I think it is a nicer tool. I really like my TSC55 for the cordless option, although I think that the cordless MT55 is also really nice. Concord Carpenter just did a review of cordless track saws and Mafell, Makita and Festool were the top 3, FWIW.
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Post by iban on Aug 19, 2020 1:47:53 GMT -5
I like the Festool cordless and the Mafell MT55. I think it is worth spending a little extra for the Mafell. In North America you are only a few dollars more vs buying the Bosch and I think it is a nicer tool. I really like my TSC55 for the cordless option, although I think that the cordless MT55 is also really nice. Concord Carpenter just did a review of cordless track saws and Mafell, Makita and Festool were the top 3, FWIW. For a few dollar more that's a no brainer but 200€ ($240) is something to think about... |
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Post by alvychippy on Aug 19, 2020 4:27:32 GMT -5
Bosch GKT 18V-20GC DEWALT DCS520ST1 Festool TSC 55 REB Mafell MT55 18M Also this, in reviews www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/track-plunge-saws-gkt13-225l-198182-p/So the OP question should be GKT13-225L or MT55 18v and unfortunately, it don't seem as a question, Bosch cordless suffer the same design flaw as corded GKT55 and it's a half hearted design a flop... or throwing big money away... Once again, IMO best solution is corded MT55 Cordless, depending on money banks relation, I'd be very tempted by Makita, more than Bosch or even FestT, but later doesn't make sense against Mafell... |
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Post by iban on Aug 19, 2020 8:40:19 GMT -5
Bosch GKT 18V-20GC DEWALT DCS520ST1 Festool TSC 55 REB Mafell MT55 18M Also this, in reviews www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/track-plunge-saws-gkt13-225l-198182-p/So the OP question should be GKT13-225L or MT55 18v and unfortunately, it don't seem as a question, Bosch cordless suffer the same design flaw as corded GKT55 and it's a half hearted design a flop... or throwing big money away... Once again, IMO best solution is corded MT55 Cordless, depending on money banks relation, I'd be very tempted by Makita, more than Bosch or even FestT, but later doesn't make sense against Mafell... So the Bosch gkt13-125l in US is gkt 55 in Europe. There are videos with people who seem to know what they are doing using the corded Bosch and they don't talk about the unacuracy or filmsy base problems... is hard to believe that all the Bosches suffer from this problem... I wouldn't like to gamble with 300€ with the Bosch and see if I have luck with a good unit but I have the option to return it... Anyways the corded Mafell is rising positions |
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Post by hecon5 on Aug 19, 2020 9:49:24 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I have the (corded) NA GKT13 model, and the (corded) NA MT55 so it might vary from the EU versions if you're in the EU. I checked on mine; while the base glides nice on the track and doesn't have a lot of play, it doesn't seem as solid as the MT55; the track snugger knobs appear to work the same, though I can't crank them down like I can on the MT55. I do not notice base out of true / plane issues on mine; or at least not enough that /I/ would care. As to blade 90: the 90deg stop has a good bit of slop and doesn't usually stop right at 90. Due to how the angle locking (two bolts vs a single knob with tie rod), it isn't as easy to get it "just so". I am able to reliably true it up with my square and get it right. And the angle marker appears to be pretty darn close; when I have it trued up, it shows just about dead on 90. Though, that takes some fiddling, and depending on how much of it you're ok with, that might not matter. A few things I DON'T like about the MT55 that the Bosch does better: - The plunge spring captive guide is longer on the GKT, and so the spring doesn't "click" halfway through plunging and give weird tactile feedback. It has zero effect on the actual cut quality, but annoys me.
- The plunge, in general, is smoother (the Mafell has a slight offset to the initial plunge for scoring which induces another tactile response-note this also does not affect the cut quality at least on mine)
- Front handle. In practice, it doesn't make a lot of difference, but it's just a preference thing.
- Inch Markings on the GKT; I'm a Neanderthal Imperialist, and have to measure in Inches, even if I don't want to.
- The case. This one has zero effect on the saw itself, but the Bosch Case & insert is better. The Mafell Systainer and insert are 'okay' but I much prefer the operation and use of the Bosch storage system; just 'feels' better. My insert also came broken (which was replaced for free quite rapidly, so it's old news, but it's not a shining star).
Those said, for me, Mafell is worth the extra cost, by a lot. - The BANG ON stops are reeeeeally nice on the Mafell.
- The dust collection is a lot better (both are good, but the Mafell is as close to perfect as I think you can get with this kind of saw).
- The blade change is safer and considerably easier (the GKT requires the blade to be partially plunged, which could lead to you cutting yourself or damaging the blade while fiddling with the insertion and removal; I have bumped the release lever which sprung it out of the slot and surprised the heck out of me).
- The 1deg and 47deg stops are easier to use; I haven't used it much other than inventing a reason to try it out, YMMV.
- Sounds "meaner", and not as loud.
- Comes with the hardware to add edge / parallel fences so you don't have to buy two kits to do that.
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Post by iban on Aug 19, 2020 18:18:30 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I have the (corded) NA GKT13 model, and the (corded) NA MT55 so it might vary from the EU versions if you're in the EU. I checked on mine; while the base glides nice on the track and doesn't have a lot of play, it doesn't seem as solid as the MT55; the track snugger knobs appear to work the same, though I can't crank them down like I can on the MT55. I do not notice base out of true / plane issues on mine; or at least not enough that /I/ would care. As to blade 90: the 90deg stop has a good bit of slop and doesn't usually stop right at 90. Due to how the angle locking (two bolts vs a single knob with tie rod), it isn't as easy to get it "just so". I am able to reliably true it up with my square and get it right. And the angle marker appears to be pretty darn close; when I have it trued up, it shows just about dead on 90. Though, that takes some fiddling, and depending on how much of it you're ok with, that might not matter. A few things I DON'T like about the MT55 that the Bosch does better: - The plunge spring captive guide is longer on the GKT, and so the spring doesn't "click" halfway through plunging and give weird tactile feedback. It has zero effect on the actual cut quality, but annoys me.
- The plunge, in general, is smoother (the Mafell has a slight offset to the initial plunge for scoring which induces another tactile response-note this also does not affect the cut quality at least on mine)
- Front handle. In practice, it doesn't make a lot of difference, but it's just a preference thing.
- Inch Markings on the GKT; I'm a Neanderthal Imperialist, and have to measure in Inches, even if I don't want to.
- The case. This one has zero effect on the saw itself, but the Bosch Case & insert is better. The Mafell Systainer and insert are 'okay' but I much prefer the operation and use of the Bosch storage system; just 'feels' better. My insert also came broken (which was replaced for free quite rapidly, so it's old news, but it's not a shining star).
Those said, for me, Mafell is worth the extra cost, by a lot. - The BANG ON stops are reeeeeally nice on the Mafell.
- The dust collection is a lot better (both are good, but the Mafell is as close to perfect as I think you can get with this kind of saw).
- The blade change is safer and considerably easier (the GKT requires the blade to be partially plunged, which could lead to you cutting yourself or damaging the blade while fiddling with the insertion and removal; I have bumped the release lever which sprung it out of the slot and surprised the heck out of me).
- The 1deg and 47deg stops are easier to use; I haven't used it much other than inventing a reason to try it out, YMMV.
- Sounds "meaner", and not as loud.
- Comes with the hardware to add edge / parallel fences so you don't have to buy two kits to do that.
Man that was amazingly helpful for me. Can´t thank you enough. Don´t be hard with yourself... It could be worse. You could be driving by your left  |
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