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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 10, 2018 11:33:08 GMT -5
Hi all
I've not got the DDF40 yet but when I used one recently it did feel a bit slow. I thought maybe I just wasn't pushing it as I hadn't used one before but I'd expected it to be fast than the domino.
Now someone I know has bought one and he's saying he isn't very impressed with it, quite a slow plunge.
Can anyone who's been using any of the dowellers comment on theirs and let me know what they're like.
Cheers
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Post by Knight Woodworks on Nov 10, 2018 12:41:16 GMT -5
Mine requires a slower plunge than either of the Dominos. I don't see this as a negative, it is what it is.
Enjoy your new tool.
John
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 10, 2018 13:13:00 GMT -5
Mine requires a slower plunge than either of the Dominos. I don't see this as a negative, it is what it is. Enjoy your new tool. John I've not got mine yet I'm waiting for the 110v to be released. Someone I know has one and he just mentioned he thought it was slow. The one I used at a show felt slow with 6 mm drills. In the videos I've seen it doesn't look that slow. Just curious
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Post by lincoln on Nov 10, 2018 17:02:41 GMT -5
I have the DD40P and it's definitely not slow to plunge - especially with small bits (5mm, 6mm) I found pushing on the end of the tool, with the palm of your hand, works best. As someone else said - 'like spiderman shooting a web'.
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 10, 2018 17:08:13 GMT -5
I have the DD40P and it's definitely not slow to plunge - especially with small bits (5mm, 6mm) I found pushing on the end of the tool, with the palm of your hand, works best. As someone else said - 'like spiderman shooting a web'. Yeah the DDF40 has a redesigned body to encourage you to hold it right. With my domino I push from the plug it cable area at the back, or I did do ,it's sold now :-)
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Post by aas on Nov 11, 2018 8:15:53 GMT -5
If you plunge slowly, the woods risks to heat up, burn and get hard making it even harder to push. It needs a short sharp shove.
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Post by jimbouk on Nov 12, 2018 2:25:11 GMT -5
If you plunge slowly, the woods risks to heat up, burn and get hard making it even harder to push. It needs a short sharp shove. Yep, more of a punch than a push with the older model. I would think the new one was the same.
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 12, 2018 2:50:45 GMT -5
If you plunge slowly, the woods risks to heat up, burn and get hard making it even harder to push. It needs a short sharp shove. Yep, more of a punch than a push with the older model. I would think the new one was the same. Just read the specs on the new one and the rpm is down to 8000 compared to 13500 and 18500 on the older models. Wonder if that has anything to do with it. As I say I haven't got mine yet I'm just going by an owner's experience, hopefully it's user error ,fingers crossed
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Post by aas on Nov 12, 2018 8:20:40 GMT -5
Interesting... 8000 is a lot slower. Just noticed on the Mafell site they are showing only the DDF40 and the DD40P - the fast one has gone!
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 12, 2018 9:05:42 GMT -5
Interesting... 8000 is a lot slower. Just noticed on the Mafell site they are showing only the DDF40 and the DD40P - the fast one has gone! Sounds like what I thought looked a great new tool could be not as good as I first thought :-( The guy I know who's got one already isn't happy at all. I will be really pissed off if it's true that it is really slow as I've now sold my domino .
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Post by henrun on Nov 12, 2018 10:19:30 GMT -5
Hmm, okay. It would be a surprising oversight to make it "worse" in terms of use and plunge performance. Still - for a "drill" 8000rpm is not _slow_ I've never had a drill that does 8000 rpm drilling small holes. I am guessing they added a little torque and throttled down the rpm. If you guys say it is too slow for this type of machine then I won't argue - I just don't know myself. I have to try one for myself I guess. Chippy: if you could ask your friend to be a bit more specific on what he does not like about? That would be great.
Did you sell the Domino to get the DDF 40?
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 12, 2018 10:29:06 GMT -5
Hmm, okay. It would be a surprising oversight to make it "worse" in terms of use and plunge performance. Still - for a "drill" 8000rpm is not _slow_ I've never had a drill that does 8000 rpm drilling small holes. I am guessing they added a little torque and throttled down the rpm. If you guys say it is too slow for this type of machine then I won't argue - I just don't know myself. I have to try one for myself I guess. Chippy: if you could ask your friend to be a bit more specific on what he does not like about? That would be great.
Did you sell the Domino to get the DDF 40?
Yeah sold it to partly cover the DDF40 cost. Lots of other personal expenses at the moment with Xmas coming so couldn't justify having both. Im guessing like you say it may have more torque I don't know. The guy I know who has one just said it's just not for him and he's like me uses the domino for most things. The domino isn't that fast compared to a biscuit jointer. I've asked around to get other opinions to be fair.
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Post by chapter on Nov 12, 2018 10:34:55 GMT -5
I've not got a domino but i've had no issues with plunge speed on the ddf40 using 6mm bits.
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Post by chapter on Nov 12, 2018 11:05:54 GMT -5
Hi all I've not got the DDF40 yet but when I used one recently it did feel a bit slow. I thought maybe I just wasn't pushing it as I hadn't used one before but I'd expected it to be fast than the domino. Now someone I know has bought one and he's saying he isn't very impressed with it, quite a slow plunge. Can anyone who's been using any of the dowellers comment on theirs and let me know what they're like. Cheers So (just went downstairs and tested it for my own sanity), there is definately a technique and a grip that promotes a faster plunge. Placement of your shoulder above the tool with a firm grip around the neck of the tool really helps perform a quick thrust motion that bores the material with ease, whereas if you use the tool with your arm extended in front of you it will be difficult and slow to plunge. 6mm holes 20mm deep.
*8mm holes 20mm deep.
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Post by chippy1970 on Nov 12, 2018 12:42:17 GMT -5
Hi all I've not got the DDF40 yet but when I used one recently it did feel a bit slow. I thought maybe I just wasn't pushing it as I hadn't used one before but I'd expected it to be fast than the domino. Now someone I know has bought one and he's saying he isn't very impressed with it, quite a slow plunge. Can anyone who's been using any of the dowellers comment on theirs and let me know what they're like. Cheers So (just went downstairs and tested it for my own sanity), there is definately a technique and a grip that promotes a faster plunge. Placement of your shoulder above the tool with a firm grip around the neck of the tool really helps perform a quick thrust motion that bores the material with ease, whereas if you use the tool with your arm extended in front of you it will be difficult and slow to plunge. 6mm holes 20mm deep.
Thanks for doing that. I have watched a few of the videos and it doesn't look slow in any of them so hopefully it's down to technique. Can't wait to actually get my one and give it a proper go.
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