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Post by aas on Nov 12, 2018 13:31:51 GMT -5
Henrun made a good point - 8000rpm is fast for a drill. The DD40P is very torquey, but plunging can be slow if it is done wrong - no need to ask me how I know!
It's just the technique that matters, once you have the sorted, whether the drill bits are spinning at 8000 or 18000 rpm makes little difference to the plunge speed.
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Post by henrun on Nov 12, 2018 14:06:31 GMT -5
I've had the Domino since it came out on the market and I am very comfortable with it though I have made my own accessory grip to improve plunging action.
If Chippy's friend feels like it's not for him - coming from the Domino - there is a potential risk I will agree. I did compare the Domino to the DD40G and I prefer the Domino but the DDF40 has fixed my two main issues with it - flat base and ability to mortise narrower stock more easily. I think I'll be fine with the DDF.
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Post by henrun on Nov 12, 2018 15:12:16 GMT -5
After looking at the video (thanks!) I think I would put my hand more at the "bulge" of the machine and press forward at a slight angle with the wrist so the force goes forward and down towards the resting surface and the edge being machined is being squared up by the machine end throughout the plunge. The lack of a "proper" grip on the DF500 is what made me make an extra grip (which ended up similar to the Domino XL) - and by the looks of it the new DDF is somewhat like that in ergonomics. Look forward to testing one eventually - I think it looks good. Great? Don't know yet.
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Post by henrun on Nov 22, 2018 12:43:23 GMT -5
Got me the DDF 40 yesterday with all them goodies. Will start using it Saturday so will report back. Initially the 8000 RPM seems more than adequate and I think the bits will last a bit longer too if doing repeat work with a lot of holes done in a single session.
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Post by jameshowison on Jun 15, 2020 13:27:27 GMT -5
Thanks! This thread was very useful to me. I'd been feeling that the DDF40 was really hard to push through an end-bore (20mm with 8mm bits). If I give it a decent "shove" it zips in very quickly. Bores were taking up to 15 seconds with slow sustained pressure, making me sore, but a much sharper shove, in and down, works really well. Interestingly I hear the motor wine change tone during the shove, then recover afterwards. I wonder if the motor is responding to the pressure and increasing torque when shoved but not with sustained milder pressure? Or maybe the bits catch better or something? Anyway, shove on!
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Post by mafellme on Jul 22, 2020 10:30:09 GMT -5
MT55cc owner here.
I'm only a casual onlooker, with these Mafell dowellers, but can anyone educate me on what their appeal is, over & above buying a Domino?
I dislike Festool, but the Domino looks to be quite a decent machine.
I realise you have to buy or make your own Dominos in order to use a Domino machine, but putting that aspect aside, please.
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Post by aas on Jul 22, 2020 14:14:44 GMT -5
For example, using carcass connectors, you can plunge twin 8mm holes around your unit (whatever you wish to join) perfectly lined up with the toothed rail... dowel and glue in one hole, 8mm metal carcass connector in the other; drill a 15mm hole in the face for the part that turns. Very fast and very accurate.
I have a Domino and Zeta P2, but for precision work, nothing beats the DD40P.
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Post by henrun on Aug 23, 2020 2:20:13 GMT -5
MT55cc owner here. I'm only a casual onlooker, with these Mafell dowellers, but can anyone educate me on what their appeal is, over & above buying a Domino? I dislike Festool, but the Domino looks to be quite a decent machine. I realise you have to buy or make your own Dominos in order to use a Domino machine, but putting that aspect aside, please.
I have most of the top tier hand held joining machines in my stable: the Domino DF500 and DF700/XL, the DDF40 and the Lamello Zeta P2.
The shortest version of the full story is that I have had the Domino since the first year it came out on the market. Should it get stolen or break down I would get another one in a heartbeat. It is a multi role joining machine that I am very comfortable with.
It runs a gamut of 4/5/6/8/10mm and those small 4mm come in handy at times.
That said, I don't use it as often nowadays, with the Lamello and the Mafell in the stable.
The Lamello has very expensive connectors but they save time, make angled carcasses easier to join up and is a joy to use. It is not as straightforward in use as the Domino and it is a little limited for narrow stock due to the width of the P10 and P14 joining biscuits. I use the Lamello as much as I can and I am very pleased with it and it allows for some lateral adjustment with the connectors as well.
The Mafell DDF40 is not my go to machine though it runs the cheapest connectors of them all, the dowels. The main drawback of the dual dowels is that there is no wiggle room with them dowels and in many cases being even the slightest bit off causes a problem. Not all joinery I do is with flush edges and recessed/proud edges is not as easy to do properly as with the Lamello or Domino.
I have found that in many cases I have to run all three machines to get the job done; Lamello for clamping joints, Domino for added strength/support and Mafell for miscellaneous parts. I have 3/5/6/8 and 10mm pin/dowel options for the Mafell and the range of cutters make it a lot more agile for sure.
I also have the Domino XL which for me is no replacement for the DF500 but it opens up many more possibilities due to the larger size Dominos and the connecting system available. For some projects it has been a real saviour as well as a time saver.
I can't see myself parting with any of the four though most of my varied work revolves around the Lamello and the Domino.
I have been thinking of selling the Domino XL but every now and then a suitable project for the XL surfaces and it is a great machine.
I think that the one machine I could get by without is actually the DDF40 but as with the other machines it really shines in some projects.
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Post by holmz on Aug 23, 2020 3:16:32 GMT -5
I have been thinking of selling the seldom used FT domino, and getting a DD40.
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Post by matchesder on Sept 13, 2020 14:46:58 GMT -5
MT55cc owner here. I'm only a casual onlooker, with these Mafell dowellers, but can anyone educate me on what their appeal is, over & above buying a Domino? I dislike Festool, but the Domino looks to be quite a decent machine. I realise you have to buy or make your own Dominos in order to use a Domino machine, but putting that aspect aside, please. Do you already have any kind of jointer? Like a biscuit? To answer your question: it depends on what you are doing. I think the ddf 40 is more versatile than the older version because one can use it sitting flat. I find it more precise but the downside is it is only precise. It cannot be used for parts when a little play in one direction is desired. The guide rails makes partly up for that and one can easily create rows of holes. I would prefer it over the Festool LR 32 and Bosch alternative. I think the Domino is the most versatile but Biscuits or dowels are more suited/easier/faster to use. The small knock down dominos are a miss in my opinion. I much prefer the clamex. The Clamex P10 can be used from 12 mm onwards. Dominos require at least 18 mm. The large knock down dominos are only suited for relatively big stuff and require the XL machine. I have two further questions: 1. Why do you dislike Festool? 2. What makes you think one has to make the dominos themselves?
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Post by keylow on Sept 14, 2020 15:51:32 GMT -5
MT55cc owner here. I'm only a casual onlooker, with these Mafell dowellers, but can anyone educate me on what their appeal is, over & above buying a Domino? I dislike Festool, but the Domino looks to be quite a decent machine. I realise you have to buy or make your own Dominos in order to use a Domino machine, but putting that aspect aside, please. As opposed to just ripping twigs off trees and shoving them into the holes Sorry for the useless post but I couldn’t resist.
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Post by woodbeautician on Nov 5, 2021 20:09:26 GMT -5
Hi all I've not got the DDF40 yet but when I used one recently it did feel a bit slow. I thought maybe I just wasn't pushing it as I hadn't used one before but I'd expected it to be fast than the domino. Now someone I know has bought one and he's saying he isn't very impressed with it, quite a slow plunge. Can anyone who's been using any of the dowellers comment on theirs and let me know what they're like. Cheers So (just went downstairs and tested it for my own sanity), there is definately a technique and a grip that promotes a faster plunge. Placement of your shoulder above the tool with a firm grip around the neck of the tool really helps perform a quick thrust motion that bores the material with ease, whereas if you use the tool with your arm extended in front of you it will be difficult and slow to plunge. 6mm holes 20mm deep.
*8mm holes 20mm deep.
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Post by woodbeautician on Nov 5, 2021 20:13:00 GMT -5
Hi all I've not got the DDF40 yet but when I used one recently it did feel a bit slow. I thought maybe I just wasn't pushing it as I hadn't used one before but I'd expected it to be fast than the domino. Now someone I know has bought one and he's saying he isn't very impressed with it, quite a slow plunge. Can anyone who's been using any of the dowellers comment on theirs and let me know what they're like. Cheers So (just went downstairs and tested it for my own sanity), there is definately a technique and a grip that promotes a faster plunge. Placement of your shoulder above the tool with a firm grip around the neck of the tool really helps perform a quick thrust motion that bores the material with ease, whereas if you use the tool with your arm extended in front of you it will be difficult and slow to plunge. 6mm holes 20mm deep.
*8mm holes 20mm deep.
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Post by woodbeautician on Nov 5, 2021 20:18:36 GMT -5
I dont get how pushing the doweller hard enough is the solution to a problem of excessive drill rpm. We dont use that technique for any other tool in our armory. The problem is that the DD 40P is way too fast especially for hardwoods. Has anyone sucessfully tried using a speed controller?
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Post by lincoln on Nov 6, 2021 0:30:12 GMT -5
I had the 40P, before replacing it with the DDF. Once you get used to the technique, it plunges easily. Even the 16mm bits, in Aus hardwoods, plunged quite easily. A quick, but controlled, plunge works well. I assume the dust collection gets rid of the chips quickly, allowing you to plunge quickly. The 'palm up' push works best.
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