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Post by myupholsterer on May 31, 2014 1:35:21 GMT -5
I'm finally starting to use more and more my MT55, I have a basic set up with a standard shop vac w/ a remote on/off plug and a used 35mm hose x 12' that my neighbor gave me. My questions is, Do I need to get a dust extraction system with an Anti Static Hose? I've been reading online the possible tool failure that a discharge can cause, especially during sanding. Do I need to worry about that with my Baby (MT55CC)? Any and all information with regards will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 31, 2014 18:24:00 GMT -5
Personally I always use antistatic -- just because I got tired of getting zapped, especially with sanding or using my Fein grinding thinset. The antistatic took care of that issue.
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Post by GhostFist on May 31, 2014 19:16:17 GMT -5
Here's a thought. I've seen hose sleeves in the past people were using to keep their plug it cords attached to the hose . I wonder if these would insulate against static shock.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jun 2, 2014 21:38:14 GMT -5
I only think it would work if you have a ground to the vac that is insulated. When I sanded with a Bosch sander with a non-antistatic connector I still got shocks, even with an anti-static hose. Once I ran some aluminum tape from the connector to the sander and to the hose the shocks went away.
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Post by myupholsterer on Jun 2, 2014 22:06:15 GMT -5
Well I haven't experienced a shock yet, but I've read somewhere that a shock could shortout the electrical component of a tool and since I just got my MT55 I don't want to run the risk of ruining this puppy. Either way I'll still keep reading and learning from everyones input. Thanks.
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Post by GhostFist on Jun 3, 2014 7:59:07 GMT -5
I'm using a festool ct 26 vac which comes with an anti static hose but have been considering a larger diameter non as for the pliability
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jun 3, 2014 23:02:59 GMT -5
I have the bigger AS hose from Festool (actually two of them) and I find that they work well. What I do not like about them is that they seem to wear pretty quickly. I would look at the Bosch's AS hose -- I think that this one is supposed to be pliable and it is much, much cheaper than the Festool equivalent. Food for though. Amazon has them.
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Post by hemdale on May 9, 2016 10:20:05 GMT -5
Interesting topic.
I never got zapped with my Festool hose thanks to the fact that it is an AS hose. I've now installed a regular Festool hose (grey one). It is MUCH more flexible and I hated the stiffness of the green plastic. But now, it is no longer AS, I get occasional zaps and I wonder if it's a good trade off ?
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Post by huntsgemein on Sept 29, 2016 0:05:18 GMT -5
I'm finally starting to use more and more my MT55, I have a basic set up with a standard shop vac w/ a remote on/off plug and a used 35mm hose x 12' that my neighbor gave me. My questions is, Do I need to get a dust extraction system with an Anti Static Hose? I've been reading online the possible tool failure that a discharge can cause, especially during sanding. Do I need to worry about that with my Baby (MT55CC)? Any and all information with regards will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. You say that you're sawing. Presumably intermittently: i.e. place and adjust the guiderails, make the cut, take the cut piece away, place the guiderails etc. etc. Not continuously generating dust all the time for hours on end, cutting hundreds of meters of timber in a single session.... Any dust generated will cause friction and generate static charges in a column of air surrounded by an inductive or capacitive medium like a plastic hose. But mere volts, not the mega or even gigavolts required for painful or explosive static discharge. Sanders, having continuous longer term operation as dust generators, will generate considerable charges, but the action of touching, using and putting down (i.e. grounding) a saw's metallic chassis will earth or negate any static accumulation. I've spent hours up a ladder sanding weatherboards with a small SXE400 sander (a Rotex being much too big, heavy & powerful) connected to a Festo vac, 2m non-a/s hose & another 5m Metabo/Bosch 25mm non a/s, non corrugated hose (7m total) with not so much as a hint of static discharge. Why? Don't really know, but maybe grounding through the aluminium in the ladder (one hand each on sander & ladder), maybe the action of intermittently stopping, getting down to the ground & shifting the ladder. Who knows? Millions of people are sanding, sawing etc. without a/s hoses attached, & with nothing untoward happening. Only the more extreme actions, such as the sanding already mentioned, or the use of a cyclone, where dust particles are almost permanently in a state of friction, will potentially damaging charges accumulate. As far as I'm aware, the only damage that I can recall was to the auto on/off/runon module in the Vacuum, not to the tool itself. Remember, you're running a Mafell tool, built to withstand the rigours of an industrial worksite, not some namby-pamby, girly little Fuss-tool that will burst into tears & break at the slightest provocation!
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 2, 2016 12:01:22 GMT -5
That's a great write up. It's also the first time I've seen anyone use the term "Fuss-tool".
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Post by reflector on Oct 2, 2016 18:04:02 GMT -5
Careful now, saying that might cause a certain miter saw to go up in smoke...
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Post by rizzoa13 on Oct 2, 2016 18:49:36 GMT -5
Shit why'd you have to discuss this topic? It must've been the reason my kapex eploded.
Or if you listen to the sheep on the fog it might've been because I wasn't letting the saw get up to speed, or I was chopping, or I did something else to obviously sabotage my $1500 saw right out of warranty...
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Post by holmz on Oct 3, 2016 3:17:38 GMT -5
Shit why'd you have to discuss this topic? It must've been the reason my kapex eploded. Or if you listen to the sheep on the fog it might've been because I wasn't letting the saw get up to speed, or I was chopping, or I did something else to obviously sabotage my $1500 saw right out of warranty... One might expect it to say electronics by Lucas. And the English refer to Lucas as the "prince of darkness"...
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Post by reflector on Oct 3, 2016 15:52:08 GMT -5
Shit why'd you have to discuss this topic? It must've been the reason my kapex eploded. Or if you listen to the sheep on the fog it might've been because I wasn't letting the saw get up to speed, or I was chopping, or I did something else to obviously sabotage my $1500 saw right out of warranty... When in doubt, just merely blame the user for using the inferior grade of electricity. After all, 110V isn't the "right" kind of electricity, only 220V can be. Not 5V, not 12V, not 24V, not 408V, no other voltages. There is only one true voltage. Totally the electrical system and the national electrical system's fault. The pixies in 220V are extra special and coupled to the tool after all. Its impossible for the armature or field or anything else, the saw itself is perfection itself and must be shielded from any and all critique. After all, all other miter saws are lesser and flawed. If it can't even be electricity in the end it must be the imperfection of the user to the perfection of the saw... After all, it comes from a company that's perfect in the products they release. No such things as better jigsaws exist, the guides are absolutely perfect and a Bosch jigsaw from the 90s with automatically adjusting carbide guides cannot be better, after all those don't have a strobe or a special miter foot or and automatic cut speed setting that cranks it to max once you get into the material (After all maximum speed is the only speed you should cut through wood since reasons)....... ./s (Maybe I've been staring at the koolaid for too long and I've gained an aversion to it. Or maybe its the hostile, close minded attitude I see from a select place. Either way...)
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Post by huntsgemein on Oct 3, 2016 21:51:12 GMT -5
I couldn't have put things any more succinctly than you have already.
Criticising a user's technique is just about the last resort of the indefensible: when all rational arguments fail, attack the integrity of the messenger.
Many years ago, I once posted on the fog my "intense" dissatisfaction with the Kapex & Trion saws. The former in terms of performance, ergonomics, reliability & above all else, safety (a non-returning retractable guard), & the latter in terms of its appalling performance and dubious value for money. The passage of time has done nowt but reinforce my quite reasoned & rational "prejudices".
But what a hornet's nest I kicked. Howls of derision, racism, accusations of fraudulent commercial interest.... the litany of abuse was incredible. All because I had responded accurately & candidly to a genuine request for objective evaluative appraisal for the tools in question. The most bizarre accusation levelled at me was that I'd joined the fog in order to dispose of unwanted tools. How? By criticising the very tools I'd hoped to sell? What an "unusual" & eccentric business model!
Not all Fuss-tools are great, not all are crap. I believe they make some great sanders. My gen. II Rotex is excellent, but some aren't. It's simply unrealistic to assume universal excellence in any company's output. Festool's saws are generally outclassed by some of their competitors: not just in overall performance (Mafell), but in value for money criteria also (Metabo). Value is a hard criteria to qualify, however considerations of utility, longevity, versatility, safety, capacity and capability are all involved, and are disparately weighted by the individual user. What's important to one may not be so for another...
Just as Mafell's particular forte seems to be their saws, their sanders are... maybe not as good as some competitors. They (wisely) chose one of the current industry leaders (in terms of quality anyway, if not quantity or diversity) for their latest range of cordless solutions. My point is, that no manufacturer is capable of producing best in class over their entire range. Not even Fuss-tool.
I reserve the name Festool to refer specifically to those delusional clowns who think the name synonymous with perfection! And as for those racists (convict scum ancestry indeed!), accusers of me working for a rival manufacturer other associated sycophants & camp followers I hereby dub you all Fog-wits!
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