lomme
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Post by lomme on Jun 11, 2017 22:06:45 GMT -5
Did anyone else see these? What are your thoughts on them, if I didn't own so many Systainers I think I would be converting to these they're much more durable, ip65 rated for dust and water and seem to be the same price as Systainers when they come out, sure there's more options with the Systainers right now but in due time I think they will become a serious competitor.
Check out the video
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Post by kraftt on Jun 11, 2017 23:50:14 GMT -5
I can see how these will appeal to a lot of people. But just as all those totes on top don’t measure up to a Veto bag I get the same impression from the packs. They have some great features but at the same time seem gimmicky & generic. I like the grab handles on sides but the aluminum ones are for show, will quickly dent and don’t make a lot of sense for the interior volume lost. Tubs with lids have their places, especially when you start out, but after a while things find their own solutions. I prefer redundancy, bits, drills, wrenches, fasteners, etc. repeating themselves in kits, covering the gray areas between tools, trades and functions so when I grab something it’s all in one small package. If I need volume supplies then they just come in the boxes purchased. Stacks bother me too (drawers don’t though) because you still need to spread them all out to get at anything. Especially don’t like compartmentalized tray storage when you drop them. I have my own method of ‘soft’ containers for parts/pieces, I won’t get into, that can be dropped, thrown, etc. and still allows individual access, can go with me on ladders, attics, under floors without concern of spillage. Frankly a big cardboard box is one of my favorites because it can be used for consumables and then trash and pitched at the end. Anyways you still have to go back to your truck, the real storage container, and grab levels, tripods, stands, trash bin, ladders, rail bag, any long awkward item etc. so it’s never this one ‘perfect’ trip. Sorry if I’m being a dick but you asked my impression.
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lomme
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Post by lomme on Jun 12, 2017 8:30:19 GMT -5
Hey everyone is entitled to their own opinions an you make some great points the main reason I like these styles of boxes is because I don't have much room in my shop so most of my tools stay in my truck under my tanou cover and having waterproof cases would be a big help for me
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Post by kraftt on Jun 12, 2017 9:43:29 GMT -5
With a few exceptions I’ve rarely been satisfied with the tool cases supplied with tools. It’s laughable what I use but, before I was even aware of systainers (still don’t use em), I was collecting anvil cases, pelican cases, old zero halliburton briefcases, fiberglass air cargo cases, repurposing the poly milwaukee right angle drill cases & others buy cutting out inner plastic etc. I’d show up on site and people didn’t know if I was a ‘roadie’ or setting up a mobile meth lab.
By far my preference are thin-wall lightweight polypropylene & polyethylene cases where the handle is briefcase style. If I have to stack them I can pull/slide one out from the middle by the briefcase handle, letting the others drop down a notch. I don’t so much mind the Mafell boxes, but on some of their cases, like the P1cc, the absence of a briefcase handle on the side makes no sense. Do they think you want to carry it around like a pie container? I also don’t get the use of ABS (or what ever it is), they feel like disposable shipping containers that can crack.
Everyone has their own flow and methods to how they leverage tools on the worksite and think that’s why these ‘system’ solutions, trying to please everyone, ultimately miss the mark.
Water-tite / air-tite cases are great, just be careful what you store in them with the tools. Anything that outgases or has caustic properties (fluxes / liquids / greases) can be trapped like a little greenhouse when it gets warm.
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Post by mafelluser on Jun 12, 2017 12:51:47 GMT -5
By far my preference are thin-wall lightweight polypropylene & polyethylene cases... I don’t so much mind the Mafell boxes, but on some of their cases, like the P1cc, the absence of a briefcase handle on the side makes no sense. Do they think you want to carry it around like a pie container? I also don’t get the use of ABS (or what ever it is), they feel like disposable shipping containers that can crack. I agree about polypropylene or polyethylene being a good choice of material for tool cases; much more shock-resistant than most other options. I also agree that a briefcase-type handle is important, although I differ from you in so much as I prefer that the handle doesn't steal space from the internal volume of the box, so I prefer a hinged handle that consumes almost zero space when not in use (although this has the important caveat that the hinge must be made truly robust or it's useless for serious site work purposes, and for longevity). I agree that ABS is a terrible choice for cases - it's the one thing stopping me (aside from the unnecessarily high price) from going out and buying several systainers. So much so that I'm currently considering my options on which system to go with, and the decision isn't easy (thankyou, lomme, for complicating the decision even further! ). I'm not at all impressed with the plastic of my MT55CC systainer - it feels very much like it may be prone to cracking if it receives an unfortunate whack, on-site or in-transit. Still doesn't stop the Festool fanboys from creaming over whoever has the biggest systainer collection, though It's as though they can't see the flaws because they're so blinded by that little green badge.
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lomme
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Post by lomme on Jun 12, 2017 16:48:38 GMT -5
I've cracked 2 Systainers when it was cold out the plastics they use don't hold up very well and for the price you pay for them it's a little outrageous that they're so dellicate, I also feel that the festoolies don't ask questions because it's green and they have the festool logo on them you're right about that, some of the Systainers are great for multiuse like the sys mft which has helped me quite a bit on job sites where i don't want to go down the stairs and outside just to shave an 1/8 or a 1/16 of a board but I'm still looking for the right storage system, I never keep caulks or glues in my Systainers only power tools I feel it's a waist to buy a 60$ Systainer to put pencils, tape and other dodads in that I can Cary in my hand tool bag.
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