Post by mafelluser on Apr 23, 2017 14:13:21 GMT -5
Although the Bosch rails are a bit cheaper than Mafell, here in the UK, they don't seem to be quite as cheap as some people seem to find. Maybe the deals just aren't that great in the UK, or maybe I'm just not looking in the right retailers! LOL
Post by mafelluser on Apr 25, 2017 15:47:00 GMT -5
Just bought the MT55CC kit, inclusive of 2x 1600mm Mafell rails, so I don't (yet) need extra rails, but may get some Bosch 1600s in the not-too-distant future, and cut them down to around 1350mm, for greater portability in an MTFC cart.
By chance, I did find a retailer, last night, doing a decent deal on these, but had not previously noticed anyone selling them all that much cheaper than the Mafell rails.
Well, that depends. The Festool rails in this vid are 1400:
....so you can see that 1600s would be a little less convenient in this specific scenario, even though the difference would be negligible in most other scenarios. When I said 1350, it was only an approximate - I might even go to 1100 or 1200. It's just that on the Bosch side of the rail market, the 1600s seem to be just as economical as the smaller ones, if purchased as a bundle of 2 rails, bag, + connector, so they seem a viable choice for cutting to a shorter size of my eventual choosing.
"about £100 for two 1.6 rails connecter and bag (Bosch)"
Yep. That's the deal I saw last night, at a Scottish dealer (funny; I just bought my MT55CC from a different Scottish dealer, nearby)
Last Edit: Apr 25, 2017 17:26:36 GMT -5 by mafelluser
Bosch makes the rails for Mafell AFAIK. It makes sense if you consider how large Bosch is and the limited facilities of the Mafell factory. Bosch licensed them to Mafell who at the time were the only brand using them. Bosch has since used the FSN rail system for a number of years after migrating from an older rail system which kind of looks like Festool. Bosch has a lot of subsidiary brands that can churn out things for them with the Bosch logo.
Which factory makes them? Dunno - I am pretty sure it ain't Mafell. But they look sexy in red.
I did think the rails were from Mafell but was told by a Bosch rep at a trade fair that it was a Bosch patent for sure and they licensed it to Mafell. Neither Bosch nor Mafell were at the time very good at marketing their brands. Bosch has since grown to be quite a large player on our (small-ish) market.
The rails are not hard to cut down to size - I much prefer the 1600 rails over the 1400 rails from Festool and others. With two of the 1600 I can cut any length board available here with some room to spare. (boards are usually up to 3050mm) With Festool I would fall short of the target with two 1400mm rails.
There are a few boards that are 3660/3665mm but 2x1600 and a 800 or my 3000+800 takes care of that. Festool would still come up short with the 1400+1400+800...
If you are not happy with the 1600 you can cut it down to that magical size that is perfect for your needs.
With one 1600 mm I can do crosscuts on most sizes.
The one niggle I have is that I have the 800mm rail which I use frequently and with the 1600 that makes a 2400mm rail. That is too short as most boards here are 2440mm - and you want some overhang with the rails. I have solved this with adding the angle unit/short rail which is always connected to one 800mm rail.
Then I was approached by a vendor that had a bunch of surplus rails from several shops... ...I made him a lowball offer which was accepted since they don't want to dedicate a shelf to surplus gear so I got me a FSN 1100 rail and a FSN 3000mm rail - the latter used quite a lot as it strips down a normal sized board.
I also got clamps, quick clamps extra rubber strips, connectors and two FSN angle units. All for 1/6th of original price!!! I did not need some of the stuff but since it was a take it or leave it deal I wasn't going to haggle on a give away price anyway!
The FSN 1100rail was of course a great match to the 1600mm giving a 2700mm duo that tackles some boards that are 2500mm, with ease. With the angle unit I would say the 1100mm is perfect for cutting down 1220mm wide boards (not length wise though):
The 3000mm rail is always in the shop. Only took it out once to trim down a deck - but it did save the day, and the day after too.
KSS40 0ne Mafell 800mm rail and WAN angle unit to complement the Flexirail 1400 and the short rail.
MT55cc Mafell WAN rail 2 x 1600mm rails, one 800mm rail.
All rails see some frequent use except for the second 1600mm rail on the MT55cc.
The Bosch /Mafell FSN WAN does help out with some shortcomings (pun intended) and is square enough when attached to the other rails thanks to the superior connectors.
All in all the FSN rail system is clearly better than the Festool track system. I surely don't miss the Festool rails.
The size increments on the FSN system is very clever and covers all bases for me. I did cut down one FSN rail for a specific repeat use once but I can't remember for what. Might have been subflooring at an angle where a 800mm would have had not have had enough to place the saw at depth of cut outside the board and run through. Did not have the 1100mm board back then - or the FSN WAN wide angle unit which would have been absolutely perfect with the 800mm rail. If I was doing a lot of subflooring I would have "permanently" attached a WAN rail to one 800mm rail and then cut down the 800mm rail to whatever size would cover the longest diagonal/angle.
And the purpose of your post is to make everyone else green with envy, at how cheaply you got a bunch of nice rails and associated hardware? ;-p LOL
Joking aside, since I posted in this thread, some weeks ago, I have gone ahead and purchased a couple of Bosch 1600 rails (with connector & bag), which I intend to cut down to around 1350 (I'll make a more precise decision on cut length when I actually make the MFTC cart into which they will be inserted).
The good thing is that all of us have plenty of length options, provided we are prepared to shop around and are prepared to cut the rails shorter if circumstances indicate that to be the most pragmatic course of action. We have it much better than our colleagues, 30 years ago, so I am grateful! :-)
Well, I wanted to write that every once in a blue moon a unicorn will pass us by and fairy tales do come true.
That purchase allowed me to permanently divide the rails between routers and saws and actually complete a systematic approach.
Well, he secured me as a long term customer and believe me - they still make money on me.
And yes, I agree, there is a lot to choose from nowadays. Cutting down rails is easy so whenever there is a bargain to be had on rails my suggestion is to get the longest one possible unless the correct length is available.
I was going to chop up the 3000mm rail since I got some end caps in the deal but then I hung the rail up in the ceiling in the workshop and concluded it is not in the way of anything and it has seen frequent use ever since. I would probably never have bought such a long rail if it wasn't part of the bargain.
Everytime I use it I keep thinking that I got it practically for free.
abdon: I stand corrected , the angle fence is only attaches with F -Tracks , what confused me was , that the Timberwolf site mentioned it will work with the NFU machine, yes it will work but only I guess when you use the Ftrack , with other tracks Like the KSS L.
Nov 28, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -5
glynnco: Did you order from GereedschapPro? I see them as in stock but I'm located in the US and am not sure if they ship here. I sent them an email asking about shipping but it was returned undeliverable...
Dec 10, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
jonathan: I've purchased a lot of stuff from our neighbours @ GereedschapPro.nl As far as I know they are one of the larger Mafell dealers in the EU. I can recommend them, they usually respond quickly.
Dec 11, 2020 13:58:36 GMT -5
NFU 50 Transportation?: Hi Guys, is there some Systainer for the NFU 50?
Dec 11, 2020 14:30:12 GMT -5
frezik24: Hello everyone
Dec 13, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
lasse: Thanks for the tip! I have own a mafell rail which is 160 cm and one that is 80 cm. Will it work just as well or will I need to buy rail that is 110 cm?
Mar 18, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5