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Post by jonathan on Jan 25, 2017 10:46:49 GMT -5
Just wanted to share that Metabo is introducing 7Ah Li-HD batteries in 2017! Also a bunch of new cordless tools. Battery powered table saw, compressor, mixer & ceiling sander looked the most interesting to me.
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Post by aas on Jan 26, 2017 2:27:51 GMT -5
Do you have any links?
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Post by jonathan on Jan 26, 2017 5:15:58 GMT -5
I wanted to post some pictures but I get an error message saying the board storage is full.
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 26, 2017 11:15:42 GMT -5
I'll look into that
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Post by holmz on Jan 26, 2017 16:15:04 GMT -5
I wanted to post some pictures but I get an error message saying the board storage is full. Even The forum is a board. Who wood have thought it?
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Post by huntsgemein on Jan 26, 2017 18:09:16 GMT -5
In what's probably a first for the usually tight-ar&@d, secretive Industrialists, I read an official Metabo pronouncement of future releases of 8.0 ah batteries next year, & 9.0 ah the year after! Plus there were some rather silly mock-ups of proposed tools too: cordless compressor, full sized (35 l???) cordless vacuum, cordless giraffe sander & some sort of "me too" systainer vac. Unclear if the latter was cordless or mains powered. I'll post the link if I can find it again. It was a French language tradies' site if that's any help, & my interpretation of the content is that of schoolboy language classes of 40+ years ago. I can't swear by the veracity of my translation!
There was also another mockup in Metabo livery of a cordless planer, again fitted with the new more rounded 7.0ah battery. To me it seemed rather small as far as planers go, & I'm not confident it would be a serious, heavy duty professional tool as most if not all of Metabo's current production tends to be. I hope I'm wrong, but I personally found most of the mockups less than convincing and perhaps a trifle gimmicky.
The salient point is that there appears to have been some sort of tectonic shift in the attitudes/policies of management. More openness, inclusiveness & (dare I say it) customer focus & honesty. Something rather lacking from another purportedly "premium" West German manufacturer these days. Personally I feel it augurs extremely well for the future.
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Post by huntsgemein on Jan 26, 2017 18:20:45 GMT -5
Also a c/less mixer too. Whoopie do!
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Post by arvid on Jan 26, 2017 20:04:35 GMT -5
purchased a dewalt cordless reciprocating saw today. My old porter cable craped the bed and had to run out and get something in a jiffy. the dealt 20-60v is a nice battery platform and i think come up to 9ah. their new tools are brushless as well. I can see me picking up a couple more tools that run on this platform. cordless grinder, cordless stud and joist drill look nice as well.
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Post by huntsgemein on Jan 27, 2017 0:45:27 GMT -5
Yes, both DeWalt & Milwaukee have come to market with 9.0ah. batteries. The former, as I understand with variable voltage output to power their higher voltage DC tooling & semi stationary saws. Both batteries have an additional row of 5 cells each, totalling 15 in all. This, unfortunately makes for a rather large and heavy battery pack. In DeWalt's version, when configured into higher voltage mode (I.e. output voltage tripled) each individual cell carries the battery's total charge capacity (3.0ah in the case of the 9.0ah), meaning that battery exchange & recharging will be frequently required in comparison to more conventional configurations of greater total charge capacity.
That didn't quite come out right. A Makita or Metabo 2 x 18v tool with say 6.0 ah batteries will last twice as long between recharges than an equivalent "60v" DeWalt tool with a 9.0ah battery fitted. The much newer Sanyo 20mm diameter cells currently used by Metabo & Bosch in their "Eneracer" series allow not only much greater potential charge densities (with up to 9.0ah in a "conventional" 2 row 10 cell package already forecast for release within a couple of years), but perhaps more importantly far greater rates of current flow in both charge & discharge cycles. Allowing therefore for ever more energy intensive tooling to make the transition to cordless platforms, and rapid yet damage free recharging too. Cordless SDS Max hammers anybody? Cordless 9" grinders?
I would expect much greater horizontal adoption between the major tool manufacturers of this new cell technology over the next year or 2 as the major brands likewise adopt these newer cells from Sanyo Panasonic or their major East Asian competitor Samsung. You might even get to see a Festo version of these energy rich battery cells once everybody else is on the bandwagon (or more likely moved further on already) & the manufacture's price has fallen to a sufficiently low levels to allow the company an acceptable profit margin: 5-10 years maybe?
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Post by aas on Jan 27, 2017 2:05:35 GMT -5
It was a French language tradies' site if that's any help, I'm fluent in French, is it possible to have a link please?
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Post by huntsgemein on Jan 27, 2017 5:57:14 GMT -5
OK. This is a "longhand" link, as I'm no teenager & cutting & pasting with an Apple McTelephone is one step beyond for me. zone-outillage.fr/actus/metabo/lancement-des-batteries-metabo-lihd-70-ah-et-35-ah I've been obliged to go over this "link" a couple of dozen times, because of the stupid Apple McSpell-checker, so I can't guarantee it's veracity or operability. You could always use a search engine like I did. Summat like; "Metabo li hd 7.0 ah 18 v -sla" or the like. Even a " .fr)" suffix would limit the linguistic results. There's also a kind of anglepoise lamp base that looks kind of postmodern industrial funky in a good way. Many of the photographs of the mockups seem to have been removed, which is weird. They were "public domain" photographs from Bau Muenchen 2017 held earlier in January. You could try a search of the official photographic record of Bau from the relevant sites. Maybe they're on some of the kid's "social media" sites like grinder, face-look or instagramme. Cheers.
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Post by huntsgemein on Jan 27, 2017 6:43:26 GMT -5
Much of the info too is now missing! A bit suss.
The photos are still available on the toolpundit.com site under power tools/Metabo/pages 2 & 3 from memory.
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Post by arvid on Jan 27, 2017 11:07:09 GMT -5
Yes, both DeWalt & Milwaukee have come to market with 9.0ah. batteries. The former, as I understand with variable voltage output to power their higher voltage DC tooling & semi stationary saws. Both batteries have an additional row of 5 cells each, totalling 15 in all. This, unfortunately makes for a rather large and heavy battery pack. In DeWalt's version, when configured into higher voltage mode (I.e. output voltage tripled) each individual cell carries the battery's total charge capacity (3.0ah in the case of the 9.0ah), meaning that battery exchange & recharging will be frequently required in comparison to more conventional configurations of greater total charge capacity. That didn't quite come out right. A Makita or Metabo 2 x 18v tool with say 6.0 ah batteries will last twice as long between recharges than an equivalent "60v" DeWalt tool with a 9.0ah battery fitted. The much newer Sanyo 20mm diameter cells currently used by Metabo & Bosch in their "Eneracer" series allow not only much greater potential charge densities (with up to 9.0ah in a "conventional" 2 row 10 cell package already forecast for release within a couple of years), but perhaps more importantly far greater rates of current flow in both charge & discharge cycles. Allowing therefore for ever more energy intensive tooling to make the transition to cordless platforms, and rapid yet damage free recharging too. Cordless SDS Max hammers anybody? Cordless 9" grinders? I would expect much greater horizontal adoption between the major tool manufacturers of this new cell technology over the next year or 2 as the major brands likewise adopt these newer cells from Sanyo Panasonic or their major East Asian competitor Samsung. You might even get to see a Festo version of these energy rich battery cells once everybody else is on the bandwagon (or more likely moved further on already) & the manufacture's price has fallen to a sufficiently low levels to allow the company an acceptable profit margin: 5-10 years maybe? dewalts 60v max 6ah batter is lighter then bosh/mafell 36v battery. dewalts 9ah batter is coming soon and as far as i can tell not available yet.
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Post by aas on Jan 31, 2017 2:21:41 GMT -5
Thanks for the link Huntsgemein... there was another article there that I haven't seen in the English press... Hitachi-Koki (along with Metabo) is being sold to KKR & Co - an investment fund. www.zone-outillage.fr/actus/hitachi/rachat-de-hitachi-koki-par-le-fonds-dinvestissement-americain-kkr-coFor the batteries, I find I use the Lihd 5,5ah on my flood light and mitre saw, but most of the time, I use the 3,1ah Lihd batts - even on the 125mm grinder and KSS40 - makes for a fantastically light saw and excellent runtime. For me, the greater interest is not the 7ah, but the upping of the 3,1ah to 3,5ah - not enough for me to change, but good news for the future - if the new owners will keep Metabo going in the right direction!
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Post by jm on Jan 31, 2017 4:49:03 GMT -5
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