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Post by fidelfs on May 21, 2016 22:51:27 GMT -5
as you know I am a hobbyist, but I like to do to some fine woodworking mostly modern or contemporary. It is just for my home.
I am really done with my Table saw, it is a Delta Unisaw with all the bells and whistles. I am looking to the Hammer combination, but they are very expensive.
I have the Mt55 and the rails, but I also need to cut hardwood. I use it to cross cut plywood with the MT55, but thick hardwood is a challenge.
Do you think the KS 80 can help me with fine woodworking or it will be asking to much from this saw?
Fidel
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 22, 2016 1:01:28 GMT -5
Yes - I have one and use it for all kinds of cuts in thicker hardwoods. It excels at 8/4 stock. The roller guide allows precise rips and the saw it works with the F rails too. Plenty of power. It can be heavy if using it all day, but it is well balanced. I have a big General 350 and have not used it in a couple of years and I make all kinds of furniture and cabinets.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on May 22, 2016 7:17:24 GMT -5
No experience with the KS80, sorry.
What don't you like about the Unisaw that Hammer would do better?
John
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Post by erik on May 22, 2016 7:45:20 GMT -5
The Ks 80 has plenty of power. To give you an example, I was using the 55 to cut through 2 sheets of plywood and although it handled it, I felt I was pushing the saw near its upper limits. I picked up the 80 before a job where I had to cut about (50) 8' lengths of 8" plywood without a table saw. I was done in less than 30 minutes-the most time consuming part was alining 4 sheets of plywood. I think I mentioned this before, but I had to double check my that my first cut went all the way through since there was so little resistance when cutting.
I don't work with the thicker hardwoods to often, but I have crosscut short lengths of 3/4 bird's eye maple stacked 4 high.
Its like having the power of a table saw in a well balanced portable track/free hand saw.
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Post by fidelfs on May 22, 2016 8:23:44 GMT -5
No experience with the KS80, sorry. What don't you like about the Unisaw that Hammer would do better? John Mostly cross cutting wide pieces. Any slide table will do better in my opinion. I use the MT55 for that, but I was drooling when I was looking at some videos using the Hammer to cross cutting.
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Post by Knight Woodworks on May 22, 2016 9:04:56 GMT -5
Yup, cabinet saws don't cross cut wide panels well. FWIW I have one of the aftermarket sliding tables on my Uni. It works fine, certainly not as good as a real sliding TS, but good enough.
John
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 22, 2016 10:16:23 GMT -5
I actually really like the MFT/3 for cross-cutting and you can adapt the F-rail to it or use the blanking plate on the MT55 for use with the Festool rail. I get perfectly square cuts with my set-up. fidelfs I have some videos on You Tube that show the KSS80 in action and I also have one on using the MFT/3, part of which covers cross-cutting and using the miter-gauge. Not to dissuade you from slider -- as those are awesome tools too. But, if you wanted to go less costly and use the tools you have in a smaller footprint then there are some other options. Of course the KSS80 handles smaller cross-cuts with ease and super accurate too. Just not the wider stuff.
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Post by fidelfs on May 22, 2016 13:38:28 GMT -5
fidelfs I have some videos on You Tube that show the KSS80 in action and I also have one on using the MFT/3, …... I just subscribed to your youtube channel. I am using the mft 1080 for cross cutting plywood and ¾ wood. The problem is with tick wood and the MT55. I just thinking out loud, Could the Kss80 used in the MFT table setup? or the non-plunge saw will cause some problems.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 22, 2016 13:57:50 GMT -5
fidelfs I have some videos on You Tube that show the KSS80 in action and I also have one on using the MFT/3, …... I just subscribed to your youtube channel. I am using the mft 1080 for cross cutting plywood and ¾ wood. The problem is with tick wood and the MT55. I just thinking out loud, Could the Kss80 used in the MFT table setup? or the non-plunge saw will cause some problems. Yes - you can use the KSS80 if you adapted the F rail to the MFT. It would work for lots of cuts if you were cross-cutting thicker material than 8/4. Your MT55 will cut 8/4 fine for cross-cutting so that is what I would likely use on the MFT. You have to ask yourself how thick of wood are you going to be working and how wide would you need to cut? For most cross-cuts that are wider than the cross-cut track I would use the MFT, but you are limited to around 28 inches or so if I recall. If wider than that then I would be using a rail and square to set the rail. I really like my KSS80. If the KSS60 were available I would consider one that size too as it would be a little lighter for all day use. The KSS80 has capacity that is the same or slighly bigger than the 10 inch cabinet saw. It has plenty of power and I highly recommend it for processing solid timber. I like to straight-line and rough cut parts from bigger stock and it is nice to bring the tool to the work and not muscle unwieldy boards on the table saw. I think that if you are looking for a larger stationary machine to aid furniture making I would be looking at a big band saw as a better option. That, combined with a KSS saw and plunge saw would allow you to tackle just about anything you can think to build. Oh - and thank for subscribing!
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Post by fidelfs on May 22, 2016 17:09:03 GMT -5
The bigger saw makes a more palatable option than the Hammer combination machine. One advantage the combination machine has is that one single machine foot print against my cabinet saw, Jet jointer/planner 12" and router table. The disadvantage is the price of 10K USD +-.
Thinking ahead I got another question.
If I buy from Germany the KSS 80 (1200 USD) might get tax (Import) for the price. The price will jump and the savings from buying in Germany will be reduced.
I wonder if the KSS 80 and KSS 60 share the same rail. If I buy the KSS 60 from Germany the price is less than 1K, so it probably won't get taxed. If I can share the rail for cross cutting between them, then buying the Mafell 85 in the future if I ever going to need it , then I can share the cross cutting rail between the 60 and 80?
Do you know if the cross cutting rail (I don't know the name for the small rail that comes with the KSS saws) is interchangeable?
Fidel
P.S. I already have a big band saw (big for me). I have the Hammer N4400 with a lot of power.
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Post by Eoj on May 22, 2016 18:27:09 GMT -5
The kss 80 and kss60 do not share the same rail . For straight line rips in thick hardwood ,the Kss 80 has plenty of power for the task.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 22, 2016 23:51:33 GMT -5
Also the KSS60 is only in 240 volt now - might not be a big deal for you, but something to keep in mind. The cordless option of this saw also is appealing -- no cords or DC hose to get in the way. So, might be something to consider if you are importing.
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Post by reflector on May 23, 2016 8:41:39 GMT -5
I'm starting to see the 110V UK version of the KSS60 show up online. Of course that means a plug/cord change and no warranty.
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Post by holmz on May 23, 2016 14:38:33 GMT -5
Or a 110v US to 110v UK extension cord... I think that theUK is two phase (push/pull), but it probably doesn't matter.
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