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Post by erik on Apr 29, 2015 21:25:21 GMT -5
A couple of months ago, a client showed some desire in wanting a shallow depth pantry, so I read just about all the posts on the DD-40 and remember some mention of a screw clamp with an adjustment. Not the one affixed to the 800 template, more like the screw clamp for the guide rails with a brass positioner. Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly, but is this the clamp you are using with the longer template? And, is anybody using the retro fit kit?
Mafell screw clamp with stop # 093280 Mafell retro fit kit # 203057
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Apr 30, 2015 3:00:43 GMT -5
Not sure. I don't have the longer rail or the mentioned clamps. My guess is the stop is to give the 0 point from the start I do plan to buy the longer rail in the future. When the projects I have planned need it
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Post by jalvis on May 1, 2015 9:15:03 GMT -5
I have both Templates. Not sure what they are calling the "Retro fit kit." I think its the quick clamp mechanism for the shorter template. Originally the shorter template used the screw clamp and stop which is how you use the longer rail. Although the guys at timberwolf told me some customers have found threaded rods that match the quick clamp and have installed it on the longer rail.
The Clamp and stop is a round metal stop that butts into your work for the "0" point and the clamps slide under the rail like that track system.
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Post by erik on May 1, 2015 23:01:44 GMT -5
Thanks guys, time to put an order in to Timberwolf.
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Post by jimh on May 4, 2015 15:16:48 GMT -5
Can two shorter rails be used together or is the only way to extend is to purchase the longer template rail?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 4, 2015 15:34:52 GMT -5
Honestly not sure I would think so
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Post by jonathan on May 4, 2015 15:52:08 GMT -5
Two short (80cm) can be connected together but you'll have to do some "work". They offer a 80cm rail (pictured below) and a 160cm rail. I only have 2x 80cm rails which come with a self contained clamping system of their own (visible in the pictures below). As I understand it the larger 160cm rail comes without this self contained clamping system, but uses more traditional screw clamps instead.
You can see how the clamping and connecting of the indexing rails work in this video (08:55) and (11:10)
And now for some pictures. The rails have a t-track in the bottom. On the short (80cm rails) Theres a threaded rod that runs in that t-track that's used to clamp the rail to a workpiece.
(click image to enlarge) The way it works is the clamping block (left) can quickly be slided up to the edge of your workpiece and you then turn the round knob (right) to tighten the left block to the workpiece, and thus clamping it.
By removing this threaded rod and clamping mechanism, you can simply connect 2 (or more) rails together with a connector bar. (which looks very similar to what Festool uses to connect their rails by the way.)
(click images to enlarge)
Anyway, once you take the clamping system out and connect 2 rails together, you can then just use the special mafell screw clamp in the t-track (pictured below) to index your rail. On the other end you can just use a simple standard scerw clamp in the t-track. See 11:10 in the video above. So in essense you clamp it like any other regular guide rail as with other manufacturers.
(click images to enlarge)
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Post by erik on May 4, 2015 19:42:44 GMT -5
Okay, that's the clamp I was remembering, thanks for finding it.
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Post by jimh on May 5, 2015 9:43:53 GMT -5
Are the regular screw clamps the same as the Festool ones?
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Post by jalvis on May 5, 2015 10:31:45 GMT -5
Are the regular screw clamps the same as the Festool ones? Similar but not the same. One of the clamps for the Template has a round stop attached that gives a fixed position along the template. This is the reference point that is butted against your work so everything is equal(referred to as the "0" point).
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Post by jimh on May 6, 2015 14:19:01 GMT -5
I meant to say that are the screw clamps for the regular rails the same as the Festool ones. Thanks.
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Post by jimh on May 14, 2015 13:15:25 GMT -5
I bought the base template guide and it is a too short for the job I just started. Any advice on using it without the clamps. The board I am putting shelf holes into is only 4" longer and the holes will stop 6" from the top and bottom so I won't have to move the template.
Also, can you use just the longer guide without the base guide? I am thinking that putting holes a 4' board will be awkward with an 8' template guide.
I am going to order the longer guide any way.
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Post by GhostFist on May 14, 2015 17:17:55 GMT -5
Try the supplied offset pins
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Post by jimh on May 14, 2015 22:22:53 GMT -5
Do they come with the guide? If so I must have overlooked them in the box. I'll look tomorrow.
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Post by jalvis on May 15, 2015 9:58:36 GMT -5
Ive used the shorter template for long projects. It can be done. I had some festool rail connector which fit in the template. The connectors allow you something to clamp onto and still use the entire length of the template. Just dont over clamp, otherwise it bows the template without spacers. I would even rubber band the dd40 in the plunged position and use it to align the template.
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