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Post by GhostFist on Mar 12, 2015 11:42:47 GMT -5
I may very well keep the cxs/replace batteries. I will also keep my t 15 but it may play second string to a metabo replacement.
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Post by jm on Mar 13, 2015 11:29:47 GMT -5
Now that I'm 5 batteries deep into Metabo (and I guess consequently, part of Mafell), I bought a Metabo hedge trimmer.
The tool addiction runs deep.
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Post by jalvis on Mar 17, 2015 13:35:26 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of cordless tools outside of drills for this reason. The tool is great but the constant battery costs and products getting discontinued makes them a consumable rather then a lifetime item.
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Post by jm on Mar 17, 2015 17:22:42 GMT -5
I get your point, and it's rather true today in our hyperfocus on global economics and spending to stimulate economies, but it's not like the tools are dead once manufacture is discontinued.
There are improvements made that you may or may not want to invest in, but I don't see any evidence of any manufacturer intentionally building a tool to have a fixed lifespan. Parts remain available, corded or cordless, batteries are rebuildable. Lithium-ions should have a pretty good service life, I'm hoping at least 5 years to a decade out of these, but I'm not a heavy user nor abuser.
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Mar 19, 2015 18:35:50 GMT -5
Well, after all of my hemming and hawing, I ended up selling my gigantic stockpile of Makita LXT tools, batteries and chargers to a contractor friend who is already set up with LXT tools for himself and his crew. I also sold my C15. I replaced these tools with Hilti cordless. Previous to the switch, I was really only using my Makita brushless impact driver, the rest of the tools were collecting dust. My C15 was great, but it was a bit too heavy to be a compact drill, but didn't have enough oomph or a side handle to serve as a heavy duty drill. For decks, I also used a Makita LXT 1/2" impact wrench, but I didn't like its rocker switch. So, I've shifted to Hilti. In a perfect world, I would have LOVED to compare them head to head with the Metabo tools, but as of right now I simply can't find any local stores that stock Metabo cordless, which also means repairs could be a PITA. I am very fortunate to live within 20 minutes of a major Hilti distribution center, so it's very easy for me to get their tools and they repair tools on-site. So, I bought a Hilti impact driver, compact drill, heavy duty drill, 1/2" impact wrench, 2 compact batteries, 2 full sized batteries, two chargers, and a LED flashlight. The impact driver, compact drill, compact batteries, and light live in a Systainer 2 and is my "Go-To" kit. The chargers and full sized batteries live in a Systainer 1 (with room for another battery), The impact wrench and heavy duty drill each lives in separate Systainer 2 containers, and my drill and driver bits live in a Sortainer. The impact driver has a brushless motor, three speeds, and has four LED lights that surround the bit holder. The impact driver feels great in the hand, and routinely finishes at the top of the heap in comparison tests for power and run time. The compact drill is just that: a nice, lightweight drill that's happy to perform most drilling and driving tasks. No fancy digital clutch or motor protection, but it runs true, has a nice chuck and handles like a 12v tool. The SF 10W-A18 is a monster!! It's not really big physically, but it has a gigantic side handle that mounts to a 43mm collar behind the chuck, and is geared at 0-310/ 530/ 1210/ 2100 rpm. This tool is rated at up to a 6" hole saw. I used it to turn a 4" hole saw through plaster a few weeks ago and it didn't even shrug. The SIW 18T-A 1/2" impact wrench is surprisingly compact, has great balance, and a smooth trigger. Now that I do not have a C15, I've amassed a nice collection of impact-rated offset and right angle adapters that I can use with my various drills and impacts. Anyways, if you guys are interested I'd be happy to start a separate thread to discuss the Hilti line. Thus far I've been VERY pleased!   |
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Post by lincoln on Mar 19, 2015 19:45:39 GMT -5
I did the same, Tom - sold my Makita and switched to Hilti. I got the impacter, rotary hammer, angle grinder, circular saw, 3 batteries, digital radio and a charger - all 22v. Great tools, they haven't missed a beat.
Next purchase will be a drill, for holesaws, and another battery.
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Post by jm on Mar 19, 2015 21:28:45 GMT -5
Can't go wrong w/ Hilti, they're definitely built to last. My only "issue" with them is (a) how bulky their drills/drivers are, and (b) the price...but maybe I'll be a big boy someday.  In the meantime, the hedge trimmer arrived. Pretty nicely built, made in Germany.  I have the Metabo cordless burnisher coming in tomorrow as well, which I'm excited about. Should work great for refinishing SS appliances. I'm thinking about picking up the bandfile as well if I get into more metal fabrication. For some reason, Metabo's cordless tools are half the price of the equivalent corded versions, which lets me expand my capabilities at a lower cost. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 20, 2015 1:50:01 GMT -5
I've had the hilti sf14 li since they first come out maybe around 10 years ago, can't remember exactly. In that time it's being worked hard never missed a beat. My only niggles have being at time it's not compact enough to get in tight spaces and the chuck has the habit of just slightly loosening it's self off.
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Post by GhostFist on Mar 20, 2015 4:19:15 GMT -5
10 years on a drill is a good run
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 20, 2015 10:31:14 GMT -5
Yes it's not bad. Mine is made Liechtenstein and the batteries push up from the bottom in stead of sliding on. I think the newer ones are now made in China. Which puts me off. I might be wrong though. The boy I used to work got the gx90 nail gun. He's had a few issues with the batteries going. Which is a little bit the reason I stuck with paslode when upgrading my nail gun.
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Post by jm on Mar 20, 2015 11:09:04 GMT -5
My only niggles have being at time it's not compact enough to get in tight spaces You see the 12v Hilti?  |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Mar 20, 2015 13:26:53 GMT -5
Yeah I'm busy going through the quandary in in my head should or should I not get it. I most likely will. It's a case of deciding which of the 3 to go for. Decisions decisions.
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Post by 7 on Mar 21, 2015 0:02:26 GMT -5
Construction advertisement are funny...lets put a screw right into the side of a duct where there is no connection Tom- I would like to know more about the Hilti tools if you are serious about the offer to start a separate thread about the hilti stuff. I noticed in a different thread you posted a big Hilti breaker that looked nice too. I am currently using the Makita and Milwaukee Fuel 4AH stuff. When I bought the Milwaukee the Hilti was the other brand I was considering. |
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Mar 23, 2015 10:08:41 GMT -5
Hi 7! Of course I'd be happy to write up a more in-depth review of the Hilti cordless tools, though it might take me a few weeks as we are now entering the "busy" season when work really gets busy, plus all of the other activities that come with Spring (family outings, paintball practice and events, etc....).
That breaker you saw me post about in the other thread was a Hilti TE-1000. It weighs ~30lbs, which positions it nicely in between a large SDS-Max combihammer and a 60-lb breaker. It uses a proprietary bit to Hilti (TE-S), but of course the points available are top-notch. I wouldn't recommend it if you plan on breaking up a parking lot or anything large scale like that, but for a remodeling carpenter it works great for my needs of peeling up tile, breaking small sections of sidewalk and small poured structures. I REALLY like the DRS dust boot that clamps to the chuck, it extracts dust at the source and is very heavy duty. There is an updated TE-1000 that apparently hits ~20% harder but with the same low vibration. I'll work on writing up a review on this tool as well.
TE-1000 video:
And, well, just because I'm stuck at home today working on taxes, not working OR playing....:
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Post by 7 on Mar 23, 2015 22:36:31 GMT -5
That hammer would be great for tile demo. Currently I use a standard bosch & makita hammer drill for the job & I am sure it would be an entirely different experience with that Hilti or the larger makita of comparable size. I did a huge tile removal & re-do job that I should have purchased one of the bigger ones for.
As you say though don't try to do concrete removal with one. I usually just sub that out these days to someone with the hydrolic attachement for their mini X or bobcat. Otherwise I rent the large compressor and Air hammer.
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