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Post by jm on Jan 30, 2015 20:05:04 GMT -5
There's complaints just about everywhere about the brittleness of the Tanos systainers, and they still haven't listened in what, like 20 years? Thankfully Metabo stopped buying them from Tanos and made their own, I think these are new for 2014/2015? ![](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/thumbnailer/AOxzO56LOdUIYVNLID_r.jpg) Confusingly, they're called the Metaloc still, whereas the T-Locs were also Metalocs (and the classic systainers were Metaboxes). I had someone pick some up for me in Germany, and they're pretty awesome. The material still seems like it's ABS, but the rounded edges should make it much less prone to breaking on impact, especially in cold temperatures. The little nub that the T-Loc swings over is much beefier, and the overcenter latch is much more solid than the T-Loc. The whole container parallelograms a little less under force than the systainers (anyone who's wrestled with one trying to remove the stiffener knows how badly they parallelogram), I think due to a thicker material on the base. On the bottom, it says they're still licensing some patents from Tanos, but I think the overall execution is better on these. Only thing I'll miss out on is the ability to open mid stack while keeping the top stacked, but I'm not too worried. Mixed into my stack: ![](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/thumbnailer/DEtMiKcrQ8nx1MiDY7Qk.jpg)
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 30, 2015 20:33:38 GMT -5
Very interesting, thanks for sharing!!
I noticed that Makita now distributes a licensed version of the original Systainers as well. It's interesting to see which brands swing to which platform (Systainer, L-Boxx, the Dewalt boxes, etc...).
The beefier Metabo box makes sense, as I imagine many of their customers operate in more of an Industrial-type setting and are less likely to baby their tools and cases.
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 30, 2015 21:25:13 GMT -5
Interested to know more. Tbh though I'm getting frustrated in accommodating my toolboxes. Systainers were great because they all lock together but easy access to everything requires a drawer system. And if you're making drawers why bother with pre made boxes? Just trying to simplify. Of course I've built nothing so far....
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jan 31, 2015 1:27:29 GMT -5
I like the T-locks. The standard are OK and the L-Boxxes are a good size, but I dislike stacking and unstacking.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 31, 2015 3:35:45 GMT -5
Stacking is only really any good for transporting a few together buy hand or if a lot on a trolley. Then once at the work place need to be spread out unless in a drawer system, cause if don't guaranteed the one you want to use is at the bottom
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Post by heiko on Jan 31, 2015 10:10:37 GMT -5
The new Metaloc are from China, I don't like that and buy only there old one...
Greetings Heiko
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Post by jalvis on Jan 31, 2015 12:25:25 GMT -5
I think anything is an improvement to the USA molded plastic cases that everything comes in. They look durable.
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Post by jm on Jan 31, 2015 13:01:37 GMT -5
The new Metaloc are from China, I don't like that and buy only there old one... Greetings Heiko They're made in the Czech Republic.
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Post by mato on Jan 31, 2015 13:07:50 GMT -5
Hi, I am very interested about these new MetaLoc boxes as well as interlocking tool cases in general. JM would you mind checking for me what exactly the text says about Tanos patent licensing? I am from Slovakia and can't seem to find the new MetaLoc around these parts. It has only been released very recently. If it's not too much of a bother, I would also very much appreciate some more detail pictures, especially one of lid hinges. Here in Europe, Makita is selling most of their tools today in MakPac boxes, which are basically facelifted Classic Systainers. No functional innovation whatsoever. The one I own though has much smoother working latches than Tanos original. Recently, Hitachi also came out with its iteration of a Classic Systainer called Hitbox. Thank You in advance, greetings to MUF From Central Europe and sorry for my English! Martin ![](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/thumbnailer/lZ6RXnMvDJNKzRl1MAp8.jpg) ![](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/thumbnailer/7iLu6JVM1U4LtaiP4MN_.jpg)
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Post by mato on Jan 31, 2015 13:53:43 GMT -5
Also, I spoke with Mafell guy some time last year I asked him why Mafell still sticks with Classic systainers while everybody else goes T-loc. He told me they conducted their own tests the T-loc is weak and they never adopt it unless it is completely redesigned. Now that we know Mafell and Metabo cooperate I wouldn't be surprised if the new MetaLoc becomes MafellMax sooner or later. But I'm just speculating here. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/images/lf01zHDDEHQDMk2Tvanb.gif)
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Jan 31, 2015 15:10:09 GMT -5
Also, I spoke with Mafell guy some time last year I asked him why Mafell still sticks with Classic systainers while everybody else goes T-loc. He told me they conducted their own tests the T-loc is weak and they never adopt it unless it is completely redesigned. Now that we know Mafell and Metabo cooperate I wouldn't be surprised if the new MetaLoc becomes MafellMax sooner or later. But I'm just speculating here. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/3639287/images/lf01zHDDEHQDMk2Tvanb.gif) Some of the Mafell are coming in Sortimo cases - like the K85 saw.
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Post by jasonkehl on Jan 31, 2015 16:16:21 GMT -5
I wonder what kind of tests they did that caused them to fail. I have many tools in T-locs, my crew and I use them everyday in all weather conditions and have literally never had a crack, chip or any other malfunction.
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Post by mato on Jan 31, 2015 19:55:37 GMT -5
Basically he said they don't much care about boxes and that their customers are happy with classic design. The only reason why they put K85 in Sortimo box being size of the saw. I haven't seen T-loc fail either but I didn't ask further details about the testing.
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Post by hemdale on Jan 28, 2016 6:09:09 GMT -5
While I understand that some manufacturers don't want to be locked by the Tanos monopoly / supremacy, at least Makita and Hitachi and maybe a few others came up with their (sort of ) "own" systainers which can stack and lock with the original Tanos Systainers.
I think they all should agree on a kind of "common" locking device which would make pretty much everybody happy.
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Post by jm on Jan 28, 2016 9:09:14 GMT -5
While I understand that some manufacturers don't want to be locked by the Tanos monopoly / supremacy, at least Makita and Hitachi and maybe a few others came up with their (sort of ) "own" systainers which can stack and lock with the original Tanos Systainers. I think they all should agree on a kind of "common" locking device which would make pretty much everybody happy. If you thought the classic systainers were a pain to open, the Makita ones are even worse. Been pinched so many times, I don't lock mine anymore. They are much sturdier than the T-Loc systainers though, probably on par with the classics.
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