heiko
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Post by heiko on May 13, 2015 10:13:31 GMT -5
I will visit the Ligna tomorrow  I only have to drive about 100km. |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 13, 2015 17:51:23 GMT -5
Here is the drill in action
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Post by jm on May 13, 2015 18:46:14 GMT -5
I've wanted to get that X3 handle for a while now, can't find a way to import it.
I was thinking of using it as a paddle mixer too when I need something cordless.
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 13, 2015 19:20:25 GMT -5
When I was on the mafell stand it was good to put a name to a face that I have emailed about questions with tools and products. They do know about the forum and keep an eye on comments. Obviously they don't participate. That's more because they are happy it's there building an interest in the tools without them forcing the tools down your neck. I also mentioned that some people worry about thier only being the one dealer. Obviously they can't talk about what contract details go on between the two companies but did hint at they where going to be having talks about things. It's just that America is such a huge market and they don't want to flood a market then find out they can't keep up with demand. There was a couple of guys from the states that was seriously looking at the carpentry machines
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jacko
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Post by jacko on May 13, 2015 21:36:55 GMT -5
When I was on the mafell stand it was good to put a name to a face that I have emailed about questions with tools and products. They do know about the forum and keep an eye on comments. Obviously they don't participate. That's more because they are happy it's there building an interest in the tools without them forcing the tools down your neck. I also mentioned that some people worry about thier only being the one dealer. Obviously they can't talk about what contract details go on between the two companies but did hint at they where going to be having talks about things. It's just that America is such a huge market and they don't want to flood a market then find out they can't keep up with demand. There was a couple of guys from the states that was seriously looking at the carpentry machines Thanks for the update, I appreciate Mafell's products my Fed Ex tracking say's I'll get mine next Wed. I have the sheets of plywood waiting for the saw since I'm done with wood dust. I think that Festool may not have been at the show since they are introducing the cordless saw in North America along with other products. I wonder if they might be getting out in front of themselves and can't keep up with demand. I actually don't think that flooding the market is the issue for Mafell, it's exposure since nobody knows who they are ( at least out here in California). I found out about them because of postings on the Festool Owners Group website and I decided to investigate for myself. I don't know if Mafell know how large the North American market is and how much they might be missing by lack of presence? |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 14, 2015 5:03:29 GMT -5
Not sure about not knowing how big the market is in America. In the uk we have a sole importer nma who then sell through themselves or they supply to several tool shops around the country. The shops around the country have the smaller items where the likes of the carpentry machines are taken around the country on demos and then sold. As America it so pick it's a case of how to go about it. In the uk your standard machines are readily available where the carpentry machines are special orders. I think it's a case of waiting and see how it goes with talks that are happening. Out of curiosity does America have woodworking shows that can be used to showcase the tools or events that timberwolf can show at
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Post by GhostFist on May 14, 2015 5:21:05 GMT -5
Yes it does
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 14, 2015 6:01:54 GMT -5
Shows are always a good way of show casing products. I know that in the uk nma does the shows for mafell and always does very well from them. Sometimes they don't get any sales from them it's more about brand awareness and letting people try the tools
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Post by jonathan on May 14, 2015 6:26:40 GMT -5
I think the real problem is the difference in mentality between western europe and the States.
We have a completely different mentality and expectation when it comes to consumerism and support.
It seems to me the mentality Mafell itself has, producing their tools without outsourcing, without compromising on quality making the tools expensive. And expensive tools being contrary to what the majority of US consumers want.
If we just take a look at the Apple of the woodworking industry, Festool. Even for them it's very slow going in the US.
Mafell being even more expensive and having virtually no marketing, I doubt they stand a chance over there. Maybe in a very niche market.
I hope I'm wrong, but I just can't see them setting up a network that can offer the US consumer what it expects in terms of customer service and availability.
The real question is, is the niche market in the States big enough to make the investments?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on May 14, 2015 8:13:13 GMT -5
That's very true
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Post by jalvis on May 14, 2015 11:22:03 GMT -5
I think Mafell is a smart company. They make there homeland a priority and branch out from there. Personally I don't mind having one dealer. I see the quality and the solutions in the tools and theres no amount of dealers that will make that change. If I had to import direct thats what I would do. Just wish woodworkers made more money so I could buy more!
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Post by 7 on May 14, 2015 22:58:53 GMT -5
Jonathan- I think you are completely accurate. Most won't pay for the tools, even if they love using mine. I think for most work is "just a job" and they would rather spend their money on recreation items & hobbies. Not a far sighted approach since the tools help make the money and they last for a very long time so keep making money.
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Post by erik on May 15, 2015 20:57:02 GMT -5
Now that the PDC is AINA, I was checking torque ratings and it seems the PDC comes in around 60 newton meters and the Metabo/Mafell comes if closer to 90? Now, ratings can be skewed to favor one aspect, i.e, output of gas engine vehicle taken at 4,000 + RPM while Diesel taken at 2,000 Rpm, who drives consistently at 4,000 rpm? So, for real feel, how are you guys finding the Metabo's torque when drilling through structural members like LVLs, triple headers, etc? And more to the point, how about going through that dense material with the angle adaptor?
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Post by jonathan on May 16, 2015 8:33:21 GMT -5
Hi Erik, I had a chance to "test" both recently (read, drive a few screws). I found the PDC more ergonomic in my hands, but the Metabo definitely killed it when it comes to power.
I'm glad Metabo decided to slim the handles down a bit compared to their previous brushed generation. Feels a lot better now but for some reason I liked the Festool better in my hand. In any case the feeling in the hand is different for every person so you have to try them out yourself. |
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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 16, 2015 9:33:34 GMT -5
I think that the Mafell is the same as the Metabo that is out now - someone could correct me if I am wrong. This new class of cordless drills are amazing. Fein has a nice quad drive model too, although I think it is 4 Ah batteris and not the 5.2 Ah now available. The extra battery power would be nice for doing this type of heavy drilling work.
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I only have to drive about 100km. 
