I have to make a choice between LO50 or Festool 1010.
Basically I'm not in the Festool system for the moment. I only have a Festool table saw with all the extra's and to be honest I don't like that saw much. For the price they ask I expected a sturdier saw. That said I bought it second hand and it does the job but it's not 100% accurate, I need to check the squareness.
Anyway I'm moving away from the subject here. I also own a P1CC and that's a beast of a machine. The only downside I can think of is no plug-it cord.
So Festool-Mafell imho 0-1 for Mafell.
Now I can buy a combo deal Festool 1010 with a vacuum or more expense a LO50 with a Festool vacuum both separately. I also have been looking at Starmix or Mafell Vacuums as suggested here but that's even more expensive.
Also I can't really see much difference between the LO50 and the Festool 1010.
Last Edit: May 20, 2014 8:03:20 GMT -5 by stofke72
Post by wrightwoodwork on May 20, 2014 11:08:59 GMT -5
I had the same quandary a while ago as to whether to go for the LO50 or of1010 I went for the of1010 as it was too good of a deal it was way below what it should be and was too good of an offer. They where keen to move to make room for other tools. Can't say which us better or not. I'm personally not into the whole festool eco system there is certain tools they have I like. The things I like with the of1010 is the pistol grip, not heavy, center axis marked on the base depth of plunge easy to set. Things I don't like the knobs seem to a cheaper plastic and very plasticy to touch and no micro adjustment provided standard on the parallel fence. Either way I don't think there is a wrong choice
I'd opt for the LO50 because of the better dust collection compared to the 1010. Both routers are based off the same design (originally by Festool) From what I've heard Mafell made some changes to the motor to make it run arguably smoother under load compared to the OF1010. Other differences are the depth setting micro adjust and plug-it. Overall the differences between the 2 machines are minor.
As for your vaccuum question, if you're really looking for a good vac, look at pullman-emrator, airbo or starmix vacs. Compared to these, the Festools are OK but not great. What gets Festool back on the shopping list though is the boom arm, systainer dock and work centre attachment. But simply speaking suction, the others will serve you better I believe. It's a hard choice to make indeed.
Last Edit: May 20, 2014 15:22:26 GMT -5 by jonathan
The Lo50 has arrived together with a festools systainer full of router bits. I actually think the Festool systainers are nicer. Also the handle is nicer on the Festool systainer. Another thing is the power cable with Mafell so annoying when you have to pack your tools in the systainer it's difficult to put that power cable in. I may replace that with the Festool Plug-it system as long as it doesn't void my waranty.
Post by MrToolJunkie on May 30, 2014 20:18:15 GMT -5
Stofke72 - that is great. I have a ton of Festool 8mm bits and they are great. They just stopped selling most of them in North America so I went on a buying spree when they started to clearance them out and I am glad I did as they are hard to find nowadays. Interested in your feedback. Jonathan mentions the better DC of this machine over the Festool version which is interesting -- I would love to hear your thoughts on it once you have had a chance to play around with it.
I agree with you on both accounts. The T-Loc systainers are nicer to handle than the older style, but unfortunately Mafell is determined to stay with the older style.
I also swap the original power cords with plug-it connectors on all my Mafell tools. You can find links to some how-to tutorials in my signature under each of my posts. It has been almost an identical procedure for each of the ones I've done so far.
In the end though, the tool itself and its performance are the important things, and I think you made the right choice going for better dust collection. Extra dust to clean up is far more annoying than the power cord and an older systainer
I also plan on getting an LO50 sometime in the (hopfully near) future to replace the Bosch GOF1600 I bought not too long ago. Not quite happy with that one.
Last Edit: May 31, 2014 11:13:26 GMT -5 by jonathan
Have been reading some of the router threads here, and I haven't seen the festool 1400 mentioned - is it not available in the US, or is it because it falls between the super heavy duty 2200 and the light weight 1010?
Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 22, 2015 16:05:16 GMT -5
I think it's available in the us. My view of the 1400 is its in the middle and not really nessary for my own needs. I have the 1010 which does the light duty work. Then I have the lo65 for the heavy duty work. The 1400 seems stuck in the middle with no purpose for my own needs
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