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Post by iban on Feb 12, 2021 8:27:12 GMT -5
Hi. I´ve been collecting info on questions usually arises about dus extractors. Apologies for back to them again but there are some point I haven´t clear yet (because I didn´t understand well or I missed) and I´d like to ask directly to ask users like @ass simon kraft mafellme Tom Gensmer and others (summoning) who have or had on of the machines or even some of them. Summary. I´m leaving mafell out because it is a more expensive Metabo and although I could have some preferences for the obendorf brand I´m not ready to spend more money for the same tool. (like a regular F fanboy would) Starmix=Metabo except for: - Starmix 1600W vs Metabo 1400w - Starmix included systainer holder and handle - Metabo cheaper - Metabo 3 year warranty For what I saw Starmix, Metabo and also Nilfisk uses the same type filter for the L and M versions. Is the antiestatic hose an important feature? Metabo questions:1. Does hose diameter selector in the ASR 35 M ACP acts like a suction power regulator? I´ve seen the Starmix M and H have a 2 power level selector. If it is not the suction power I can´t think of anything else to be changed to accomodate a different hose diameter. 2. Can you use the Starmix Unifix base on the metabos? Starmix questions:3. Does the extra 200W notice in real life? Normally more power is better but sometimes the difference is marginal in some machines... 4. Until I saw videos I thought the shaking was at some kind of electromagnetic level but I´ve seen it is a real violent shocks. Are they too loud? annoying? 5. Can the Ipulse be turned off (and the metabo equivalent)? Nilfisk questions:
6. You can not just buy the round Hepa filter which is quite cheap and instal it in the L/M versions right? 7. Does the M and H versions also beep when loosing power? |
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Post by aas on Feb 12, 2021 9:54:00 GMT -5
There's probably not too many people who have a 1600w Starmix and a 1400w to compare - I've not tried the 1400w so can't comment, but the iPulse H is great.
The filter shaker is a necessary evil when doing drywall sanding, concrete grinding etc., but it can be turned off in Auto mode.
I think the beep is part of the regulations for H, maybe M too - I don't work on job sites with other workers, it is just me and my equipment so I unplugged it as it is too annoying - the red light still flashes though so I keep an eye on it.
The hose diameter dial is also the speed selector, it goes from min to max on 21mm, then min to max on 27mm, then min to max on 35mm - it's easy to use, don't really need a whole load of dials - Starmix have this working perfectly with 2.
I have spare HEPA filters - 1 set for fleece bag, and 1 set for black sac or no bag.
I'm not sure you'd notice the difference with a 1400w, at some point I'll get one of the 1200w asbestos models - the specs are fairly unchanged from the 1600w. Likewise the battery version, it seems pretty powerful.
If you can get a good deal on the Metabo, go for it - I was looking to do the same but got a good deal on the H iPulse.
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Post by iban on Feb 12, 2021 10:34:39 GMT -5
The M version does not have much sense if you look only at the filter but it has an antiestatic hose. The L usually comes with standard one and you have to pay another good 150€ or so for it.
You always can put a couple of Hepa filters in the L and M versions right?
Can you turn turn the shaker of when working with tools pluged?
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Post by aas on Feb 12, 2021 13:42:54 GMT -5
Yes you have auto mode with shaker, auto mode with out shaker, and manual mode with shaker.
The shaker only goes off when needed, so if you're doing some wood work, you can be in the mode with shaker on, it won't go off until the filters need it.
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Post by kraftt on Feb 12, 2021 21:58:42 GMT -5
6. You can not just buy the round Hepa filter which is quite cheap and instal it in the L/M versions right? 7. Does the M and H versions also beep when loosing power? My Flex rebrand is only an L but came with their Hepa installed. Don't know if both the M/H beep when filter loading reduces suction but that's easy enough to determine depending on rebrand or county by looking at photos of the panel. For tool connected dust collection the 32mm hose is more than adequate, but for floor vacuuming etc. I much prefer a larger diameter hose. |
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Post by iban on Feb 14, 2021 14:19:15 GMT -5
You can put Hepa filters in the metabo, starmix, L class right?
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Post by aas on Feb 14, 2021 15:13:04 GMT -5
I think so, same size. Then just use the old L filters for water, etc.
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Post by fatandre on Feb 14, 2021 18:24:54 GMT -5
Where do you have auto mode with no shaker?
Is that the A mode?
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Post by simon on Feb 15, 2021 13:15:08 GMT -5
iban 1. "Does hose diameter selector in the ASR 35 M ACP acts like a suction power regulator? - I´ve seen the Starmix M and H have a 2 power level selector. If it is not the suction power I can´t think of anything else to be changed to accomodate a different hose diameter." Unless Metabo have changed something in the last couple of years the hose diameter dial doesn't give control over suction power. If you want that they make the ASR 35 L ACP, then if you want to you can install Hepa filters, as I did on my Starmix. The Hepa filters are expensive though. In terms of stats, the Starmix has max volume flow at the motor head as 75 l/s (159 cfm) (the Metabo's is rated at 73 l/s around 155 cfm). Starmix give figures for volume flow at end of hose of 45 l/s, Metabo doesn't supply these. Maximum vacuum on the Starmix is 280 mbar at motor head and 245 mbar at end of the hose; the figure Metabo cites this as 248 mbar, you'd have to ask them where this is measured from, but I'd assume it was at the motor head, which gives Starmix the superior vacuum power. The iPulse is pretty loud, but only initiates when filters need it, which if you were using a PE open bag or no bag at all and extracting finer dust, would be quite often; but if using the closed bags and ensuring you have everything set up right - my experience is the gap from one iPulse to the next is fine, and serves to also dislodge any caked dust in the bag itself. The warning sounds and lights are there to accommodate health and safety regs on site use, and to warn the user that there may be an issue with a blockage or the filters. My experience has been, that as soon as you put a crevice nozzle or a sander on the end of the hose with the suction set on high, the warning light flashes to indicate restricted air flow - another reason why I didn't get the M or H class (didn't want the sounds as well), and simply installed the Hepa filters into the L 1635. With considered use and ensuring things are set up right (and as long as you don't do site work or have to remove asbestos or similar toxic materials) there's no need to get the M or H class models.
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Post by iban on Feb 15, 2021 13:34:33 GMT -5
Thanks simon I´m more inclined for the L version and upgrade with Hepa if/when needed. Perhaps upgrade too with an antiestatic hose but I´m not sure if that makes a lot of difference. I have a 4m Mirka hose for hand sanding which apparently is antiestatic and I don´t see too much difference with a standard one... If I add a handle and a unifix to the metabo (because I want that) price is very similar to a starmix L-1635 top so the election is becoming clear. There is also a L 1635 premium which it seems the difference with the "top" is the screaming red hose (I like that  ) |
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Post by simon on Feb 15, 2021 13:35:15 GMT -5
Where do you have auto mode with no shaker? Is that the A mode? That's it on the Starmix, yes. |
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Post by simon on Feb 15, 2021 13:53:38 GMT -5
iban just check the diameter of the hose, I bought the 35mm diameter as an extra, and have never used it - I reckon the next size up is the more useful catch all diameter particularly if you're a chippy, as rough sawdust could easily clog up the 35mm hose. Also try and get a deal on the Hepa filter at point of purchase, when I bought mine here in the UK I got the cost down to less than half list price.
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Post by iban on Feb 15, 2021 14:07:22 GMT -5
iban just check the diameter of the hose, I bought the 35mm diameter as an extra, and have never used it - I reckon the next size up is the more useful catch all diameter particularly if you're a chippy, as rough sawdust could easily clog up the 35mm hose. Also try and get a deal on the Hepa filter at point of purchase, when I bought mine here in the UK I got the cost down to less than half list price. 35mm is what comes as standard in the L (non antistatic) and M, H (antistatic) I can find 27mm but not thicker for ipulses. Do you have at hand the reference number of a thicker diameter hose? Does anti static makes any difference in the real world? |
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Post by aas on Feb 15, 2021 14:08:08 GMT -5
I've got the big and small hose for the Starmix (both anti-static) and they plug together to give me 10m - still good suction at that distance.
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Post by alvychippy on Feb 15, 2021 14:20:40 GMT -5
Sort off, kinda, again - off topic! ( Very very, very sorry! (Not really))
Weather sucker is M class or L class or no class difference in particle filtration is 99%, 98%, or 90% whilst material uncollected is 10- 30%...
Get the one, that's most powerful, forget the classing gents! 😉 "Class'ing" is for the clueless law makers to make money, irrelevant in practical terms 🍻
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