The FOG users always seemed to blindly defend Festool products in a sectarian blind-faith way
I'm active on FOG and this is simply NOT true. Sure, there are fanboys everywhere (this forum is no exception) but I find overwhelming majority of FOGers to be reasonable and helpful individuals. At least I haven't witnessed them talking trash or demeaning MUF members in a blanket way.
The main difference is that Mafell tools are generally better, but both forums have fanboi issues. car and audio forums etc, etc. etc... they are all full of proselytism, but it is normal. and it is also normal when we question others as to why they make their choices to defend their choices.
aas Avatar Aug 17, 2020 4:51:25 GMT 9.5 aas said: rob2 Avatar Aug 16, 2020 15:32:39 GMT 9.5 rob2 said: I'm active on FOG and this is simply NOT true. Sure, there are fanboys everywhere (this forum is no exception) but I find overwhelming majority of FOGers to be reasonable and helpful individuals. At least I haven't witnessed them talking trash or demeaning MUF members in a blanket way. Sorry, didn't realise I needed to annotate my message...
Seemed - this was written as past tense, i.e not seems which I would take as present tense. Feel free to correct my English, I hardly use it. Of course, this was a few years back - you can look up my same username and see my last post if you want. Obviously, you won't have access to the PM's... that was another story!
I did say it was good to see the progress... present tense - must have missed that - I still read posts on the FOG of course, otherwise how would I have noticed?
Most Europeans have better grasp of English than Americans, and maybe other U.K., Au, CA and NZ educated peoples.
No one likes a show off well maybe some of us do...
The P1CC is an awesome tool, but "finicky" isn't the word I'd use for it. It's robust and simple.
I have had cases of the cut not being a perfect 90 degrees, but only when doing ridiculously small circular cuts in 40+ mm thick material and even then the deflection of the blade is usually maybe 0.5mm (so for all intents and purposes good enough)
It has a 900w motor so it gets warm (I think the saw uses the metal parts and the base of it as a heatsink) in use.
On the upside, it's a tool that'll blow your mind when doing any amount of custom circular cuts.
I needed to create 4 of these plywood tubes with a cutout in em. Frame was 18mm plywood, 39x58mm kerto beams and was covered in 8mm bendy plywood on both inside and outside. Now getting those 4 corners of the cutout to be circular would have been a stupid amount of work, trial and error and sanding to get anything decent without spending days on sanding and filler.
Enter the p1cc. I covered the outside with plywood (made the straight cuts beforehand with a tracksaw and marked a 25cm radius on the corners while the sheet was flat). On the background you can see the "corner" of the cutout before a single p1cc cut and in the foreground a "corner" that I cut with my p1cc by hand, on a nonflat convex surface. I did 16 of those cuts, all by hand, and each and every one of them was at 90 degrees.
This is where the p1cc stands above all other jigsaws, a 66mm deep 25cm radius cut on a convex surface through plywood with near perfect 90 degrees. I can think of no other tool (besides a 5 axis cnc machine) to do that.
IF you do this kind of work, the p1cc is irreplaceable, will make back the cost of the saw in no time at all.
IF you don't do (nor plan to) do this kind of work the p1cc will be a VERY nice jigsaw, but you probably don't need it.
Those were kind of physical decorations/features for a steampunk VR racing game / experience, so they had a PC in the nose with an old car chair in the opening and regular off the shelf PC racing wheel and pedals for the game. As my part was to build the structure and make sure they're easily movable and transportable I mainly concentrated on getting the edge surrounding the seat as much as feature as possible since the budget was super low for materials so making sure the entry/exit point for visitors would be as sturdy and safe as possible, thus a wide really smooth edge with no fasteners or anything sticking out so it'd be very hard to get hurt or stuck etc.
covered the edge and interior with more bendy plywood, some filler and sanding and a 5mm radius router pass on the edge
more or less finished look. The exteriors could have used much more detail, but I was short on time and budget so I ended up just using all the scrap plywood and making a bunch of circles for features , all done using the p1cc using a scrap piece of plywood screwed to the base of the saw as a radius.
For me, the P1 stands out because of the missing guide wheel. I actually sometimes put the blade in backwards. Also the bigger base for angled cuts is a plus in my opinion.
My first quality power tool was the Trion PS 300. I thought it is the pinnacle of jigsaws. Just to find out the limitations due to the actual saw blade. The big feature of the adjustable guide turned out to be annoying. I now think it is unnecessary complicated and disadvantageous due to introduced heat in the blade.
While I find the P1 to be better in most aspects, I must say a jigsaw reveals the lack of my ability. It is much different than sliding a plunge saw along the guide.
The only real downside I see is how hot it can get. Maybe the bearings and gears have to break in. I noticed such thing on a router too.
So I think the most important thing for good cuts with a jigsaw is: 1. the user 2. the blade 3. the saw
While I’m really happy to have a P1, now I would consider a Bosch GST 160 CE as well. Seems to be the next best thing for half the price.
Regarding fanboys and comments like fes-fools. Yes, one could be more friendly. But also I think people should not be offended that easily. Regardless of festool fanboy or not, some people seem to feel the need to defend an justify they’re decision to by a particular tool. Or to not by it as well.
I was selling a tool online. One got in touch only to let me know he would never buy such a thing because it’s overpriced. Not saying I was asking too much, just that it is too expensive in general. So?
Let people have their opinions. Some may be a little rough but still can have interesting and useful things to say.
all: Thanks to all for supporting me. I want to learn or know. That's why I have come in here.
Jun 10, 2018 1:24:34 GMT -5
ineson85: Just been into AONE Tools (West Yorkshire) and they are having a Mafell sale. Loads of brand new, boxed tools going ridiculously cheap!
Jul 27, 2018 4:02:15 GMT -5
balgonie: Hikoki, please bring this beauty to Germany!!!!!!
Oct 26, 2018 1:04:14 GMT -5
jimh: I have been offline for a while. My email address is firstname.lastname@example.org. Thanks, Jim (surf123)
Jan 31, 2019 10:59:27 GMT -5
dam8: Shoot me an email if you want a pic of my removable Irving knife. I cut the base when I bought it so I can remove it when email@example.com plunge cut is needed Dave at milesRestorations dot com
Mar 23, 2019 19:22:40 GMT -5
rikflaxman: I need someone to pick out one best product from those on this list here.
Guest: Can anyone mill a corian piece that will fit into the mafell rail for use with the mft3?
Aug 17, 2019 14:17:06 GMT -5
jimmyford: Can anyone mill a corian piece that will fit into the mafell rail for use with the mft3?
Aug 17, 2019 14:18:58 GMT -5
bengt: Oh please the ks60 is better in every way. 60 degree miter in both directions. Bevels past 45(essential in a saw that must cut on the flat) Bigger blade more capacity. The Metabo hpt has 57 degree miter max and 45 bevel max.
Sept 9, 2019 20:02:24 GMT -5
alvychippy (guest): can not recover my registered email account atasas@gmx. do not remember the password, some assistance? or should I just register as new user?>
Dec 7, 2019 9:51:24 GMT -5
alvychippy: Guys, what is the name of aprox €9k machine for hand shaping of handrails?
Jan 8, 2020 16:16:15 GMT -5
stilts: So why is goldensun not banned and all those worthless threads not deleted?
Jan 11, 2020 14:31:42 GMT -5
alvychippy: It's the board hosts, that are having an idea, of somebody perhaps paying over the odds to acquire the board to administer it.... Obviously hopes are set high, Mafell isn't interested, so it carries on
Jan 12, 2020 9:30:06 GMT -5