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Post by kiarev on Aug 12, 2020 20:28:49 GMT -5
Hello,
I have never been a professional woodworker, but I have had a wood shop that I enjoy for years. I have finally gotten tired of using my jigsaw and having cuts that are skewed instead of square, so I have been looking at a better jigsaw. I am considering either the Festool Carvex Barrel Grip Cordless or the Mafell P1cc. Reading through some of the messages on this forum, I notice different people having problems with the P1cc not giving square cuts. Some responses have suggested that if the user is not holding the saw correctly or not directing the saw correctly that may cause the skewed cuts.
Is the P1cc really that finicky?? I sort of figured that if I spend over $500 on a jigsaw, that saw should cut square. From what I am reading, however, I am getting the impression that Mafell is selling a machine for an extremely high price and this machine will not provide a square cut unless everything is just perfect. Is that really the case???
Thanks,
Mark
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Post by rob2 on Aug 13, 2020 0:47:53 GMT -5
Not sure what you are referring to about P1cc being finicky. Don't expect band saw quality from it, it's a jig saw, there is no magic. But it's better than anything I've tried before by far, especially with Cunex blade.
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Post by holmz on Aug 13, 2020 2:55:51 GMT -5
I like mine.... I suppose a thick peoce of wood with some weird grain could flex the blade, but have never noticed a cut that was not square. And the thicker blades are stiffer.
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Post by fuzzylogic on Aug 13, 2020 6:41:08 GMT -5
Hi Mark. Not quite sure what to make of your query.
“Reading through some of the messages on this forum, I notice different people having problems with the P1cc not giving square cuts.” Please provide links to the messages you refer to – that would help give some context wrt the content of those threads. Sorry, I’m not going to plough through everything on MUF to try and dig them out.
“Some responses have suggested that if the user is not holding the saw correctly or not directing the saw correctly that may cause the skewed cuts.” Ditto what I posted above: also, arguably, the above observation could apply to any jigsaw - or indeed just about any woodworking tools.
That said, I fancy that across different forums, YouTube videos and reviews - the Mafell P1CC jigsaw comes across as being really good jigsaw, and, has a well earned reputation for being ‘the best out there’ for many woodworkers. (Though, at the moment, there is no battery version.)
The word ‘finicky’ is not an adjective that comes to mind with the Mafell jigsaw – though some might think that of Festool jigsaws!
Slightly off topic: Moreover, I do wonder if the money you are apparently prepared to spend on a better jigsaw, might be better spent on upgrading other woodworking tools you use. Be great if you gave us an idea of the sort of projects you undertake, and, which tools you use - perhaps the money to be spent, could be better used to enhance your work-flow + accuracy?
Richard (UK)
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Post by aas on Aug 13, 2020 14:01:04 GMT -5
Are you sure you didn't get mixed up reading about the Carvex?.. the worst jigsaw I have ever owned, and extremely finicky.
The P1CC is awesome and a pleasure to use. As soon as it comes out in cordless, I'll be getting that too.
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Post by huntsgemein on Aug 14, 2020 2:08:37 GMT -5
Mafell's jigsaws aren't "finicky". Anything but. They're big, heavy, powerful, accurate & (at least on the surface) crudely simple. Which in my opinion makes them the best.
Other superior quality jiggy manufacturers include Robert Bosch, Metabo & Makita. However this refers to their "top-'o-the-line" models only. Lesser models in their respective lineups are fairly ordinary. All, however, are clearly superior to any past or current Fuss-tool jiggies. Many Fes-fools agree: one of the few occasions where an alternative suppliers' product is clearly preferred by what is otherwise an invariably partisan & jingoistic fanbase.
But the simple, crude, gimmick-free single-model Mafell stands head & shoulders above all others. In a word, peerless.
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Post by MrToolJunkie on Aug 15, 2020 0:37:20 GMT -5
Yep...P1CC is not finicky at all and cuts perfectly.
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Post by rob2 on Aug 15, 2020 2:12:56 GMT -5
Many Fes-fools agree: one of the few occasions where an alternative suppliers' product is clearly preferred by what is otherwise an invariably partisan & jingoistic fanbase. Really? Invariably jingoistic Fes-fools? This was uncalled for, or are we reenacting 3rd grade here?
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Post by aas on Aug 15, 2020 11:58:13 GMT -5
Not very eloquent, but the I understand the meaning - Huntsgemein often posts extremely informative and useful posts, thanks. The FOG users always seemed to blindly defend Festool products in a sectarian blind-faith way - I stopped posting after criticisms against my intellect and ability - bizarrely due to the Carvex amongst others. These days they seem a calmer bunch - even a recent thread started by the same OP of this thread, the FOG users do recommend the P1CC - good to see the progress!
As a disclaimer : I own a lot of Festool alongside my large collection of Mafell - and I'm a long way from being a 'fool'!
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Post by holmz on Aug 15, 2020 18:22:48 GMT -5
Not very eloquent, but the I understand the meaning - Huntsgemein often posts extremely informative and useful posts, thanks. The FOG users always seemed to blindly defend Festool products in a sectarian blind-faith way - I stopped posting after criticisms against my intellect and ability - bizarrely due to the Carvex amongst others. These days they seem a calmer bunch - even a recent thread started by the same OP of this thread, the FOG users do recommend the P1CC - good to see the progress! As a disclaimer : I own a lot of Festool alongside my large collection of Mafell - and I'm a long way from being a 'fool'! I stopped posted when they kicked me off their forum for pointing it out.
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Post by aas on Aug 16, 2020 0:13:27 GMT -5
Their loss Holmz! Does seem to be very US focused... but I've learned about new products there too.
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Post by holmz on Aug 16, 2020 0:38:18 GMT -5
Their sense of humour about movie trivial was just too much for them... like when FT Australia's customer service was likened to Brando in "Last Tango in Paris". So maybe you're right... and because it was not a US film resulted in a freedom fries approach?
It would be easy if the fan-bois told me why their tools are so good.
To be fair when one says, "you get what you pay for", and then later, "Mafell is too pricy"... well... some people do not like that to be pointed out as a chin scratcher.
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Post by rob2 on Aug 16, 2020 1:02:39 GMT -5
The FOG users always seemed to blindly defend Festool products in a sectarian blind-faith way I'm active on FOG and this is simply NOT true. Sure, there are fanboys everywhere (this forum is no exception) but I find overwhelming majority of FOGers to be reasonable and helpful individuals. At least I haven't witnessed them talking trash or demeaning MUF members in a blanket way.
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Post by juhan on Aug 16, 2020 13:31:54 GMT -5
The P1CC is an awesome tool, but "finicky" isn't the word I'd use for it. It's robust and simple. I have had cases of the cut not being a perfect 90 degrees, but only when doing ridiculously small circular cuts in 40+ mm thick material and even then the deflection of the blade is usually maybe 0.5mm (so for all intents and purposes good enough) It has a 900w motor so it gets warm (I think the saw uses the metal parts and the base of it as a heatsink) in use.
On the upside, it's a tool that'll blow your mind when doing any amount of custom circular cuts. Example:
I needed to create 4 of these plywood tubes with a cutout in em. Frame was 18mm plywood, 39x58mm kerto beams and was covered in 8mm bendy plywood on both inside and outside. Now getting those 4 corners of the cutout to be circular would have been a stupid amount of work, trial and error and sanding to get anything decent without spending days on sanding and filler.
Enter the p1cc. I covered the outside with plywood (made the straight cuts beforehand with a tracksaw and marked a 25cm radius on the corners while the sheet was flat). On the background you can see the "corner" of the cutout before a single p1cc cut and in the foreground a "corner" that I cut with my p1cc by hand, on a nonflat convex surface. I did 16 of those cuts, all by hand, and each and every one of them was at 90 degrees.
This is where the p1cc stands above all other jigsaws, a 66mm deep 25cm radius cut on a convex surface through plywood with near perfect 90 degrees. I can think of no other tool (besides a 5 axis cnc machine) to do that.
IF you do this kind of work, the p1cc is irreplaceable, will make back the cost of the saw in no time at all. IF you don't do (nor plan to) do this kind of work the p1cc will be a VERY nice jigsaw, but you probably don't need it.
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Post by aas on Aug 16, 2020 14:21:25 GMT -5
The FOG users always seemed to blindly defend Festool products in a sectarian blind-faith way I'm active on FOG and this is simply NOT true. Sure, there are fanboys everywhere (this forum is no exception) but I find overwhelming majority of FOGers to be reasonable and helpful individuals. At least I haven't witnessed them talking trash or demeaning MUF members in a blanket way. Sorry, didn't realise I needed to annotate my message...
Seemed - this was written as past tense, i.e not seems which I would take as present tense. Feel free to correct my English, I hardly use it. Of course, this was a few years back - you can look up my same username and see my last post if you want. Obviously, you won't have access to the PM's... that was another story!
I did say it was good to see the progress... present tense - must have missed that - I still read posts on the FOG of course, otherwise how would I have noticed?
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