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Post by skycorrigan7 on May 9, 2020 15:24:58 GMT -5
Hello all, I was unable to find a post that answered my specific questions regarding the Mafell ASB 18M bl Cordless Hammer Drill Driver. Hopefully you guys can help me out. This will be my first Mafell purchase and am beyond excited! Thank you in advance! 1.I want to confirm, because of the Cordless Alliance System, my current Metabo 4.0 LiHD 18v batteries from my SSD 18 LTX 200 BL impact will work with the ASB 18M bl. 2. This ones somewhat specific to US buyers from Timber Wolf Tools. If I go with the "PURE Tool" option what accessories are included? www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-asb-18m-bl-cordless-hammer-drill-driver3. I am hearing from a few sources that the ASB 18M bl is essentially the same as the Metabo equivalent? What makes the Mafell worth the added expense? Thanks again! Looking forward to reading the responses.
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Post by huntsgemein on May 9, 2020 20:01:59 GMT -5
1. Yes, they're all cross-compatible. 2. You'll be getting a 6.35mm hex & st'd. 1/2" Rohm-style quick chucks, belt clip, bit holder, side handle, Mafell Max case & insert. 3. The Mafell drill/s is/are basically the same (missing the characteristic Metabo "squeak") as older Metabo model/s. The latest Metabos feature a 3-speed planetary gear cluster that provides a much higher (3600 RPM??) 3rd. gear top speed. Only really essential for sheet metal work. The newer Metabos also have (I think) slightly more power available, a (slightly) better service network, and a full "bumper to bumper" 3-year warranty. Plus, the latest 4.0 AH Li-HD cells are pretty well the definitive alternative in batteries to maintain optimum balance & ergonomics in a hand-held drill, at least in my ageing hands anyway. Mafell come supplied with slightly older style 5.5 AH bigger & heavier batteries. 4. Personally prefer the Metabo due to the above. There's also Metabo's GB18 tapping drill if metalwork's your thing. Still only a 2-speed drill, but offering unrivalled (automatic reversing/forward running) versatility for dedicated tap & die threading work. 5. Why go with a hammer drill design? I personally much prefer the plain-jane dril. Smaller, lighter, shorter and doesn't "scream" its way (slowly) through masonry. There's far superior SDS-type hammers out there, at minimal expense, that do a better (quicker, lighter, neater, more comfortable & ergonomic etc.) job than a conventional old-school hammer drill. Plus all that masonry dust plays merry hell with Rohm-type chuck innards, not to mention the potential damage to the EC electronics from all those high frequency impacts. 6. Why not save a few pennies (about 40%) with the newer design Metabo alternative, & spend the extra on either the Metabo or Mafell X3 high torque gear reduction (which I've found useful for driving a 7" planting auger) & right-angle adapters? 7. Metabo's drills generally come in a cardboard box with only a Metaloc insert inside. meaning that you're also up for an additional Metaloc II case as an extra expense. www.amazon.com/Metabo-BS-18-LTX-3-bare/dp/B071VTHB2M/ref=psdc_552862_t2_B0723515TCwww.amazon.com/Metabo-603828890-Cordless-Tapping-Driver/dp/B07J5XXK1M/ref=psdc_552862_t3_B0723515TC
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Post by skycorrigan7 on May 11, 2020 16:08:50 GMT -5
1. Yes, they're all cross-compatible. 2. You'll be getting a 6.35mm hex & st'd. 1/2" Rohm-style quick chucks, belt clip, bit holder, side handle, Mafell Max case & insert. 3. The Mafell drill/s is/are basically the same (missing the characteristic Metabo "squeak") as older Metabo model/s. The latest Metabos feature a 3-speed planetary gear cluster that provides a much higher (3600 RPM??) 3rd. gear top speed. Only really essential for sheet metal work. The newer Metabos also have (I think) slightly more power available, a (slightly) better service network, and a full "bumper to bumper" 3-year warranty. Plus, the latest 4.0 AH Li-HD cells are pretty well the definitive alternative in batteries to maintain optimum balance & ergonomics in a hand-held drill, at least in my ageing hands anyway. Mafell come supplied with slightly older style 5.5 AH bigger & heavier batteries. 4. Personally prefer the Metabo due to the above. There's also Metabo's GB18 tapping drill if metalwork's your thing. Still only a 2-speed drill, but offering unrivalled (automatic reversing/forward running) versatility for dedicated tap & die threading work. 5. Why go with a hammer drill design? I personally much prefer the plain-jane dril. Smaller, lighter, shorter and doesn't "scream" its way (slowly) through masonry. There's far superior SDS-type hammers out there, at minimal expense, that do a better (quicker, lighter, neater, more comfortable & ergonomic etc.) job than a conventional old-school hammer drill. Plus all that masonry dust plays merry hell with Rohm-type chuck innards, not to mention the potential damage to the EC electronics from all those high frequency impacts. 6. Why not save a few pennies (about 40%) with the newer design Metabo alternative, & spend the extra on either the Metabo or Mafell X3 high torque gear reduction (which I've found useful for driving a 7" planting auger) & right-angle adapters? 7. Metabo's drills generally come in a cardboard box with only a Metaloc insert inside. meaning that you're also up for an additional Metaloc II case as an extra expense. www.amazon.com/Metabo-BS-18-LTX-3-bare/dp/B071VTHB2M/ref=psdc_552862_t2_B0723515TCwww.amazon.com/Metabo-603828890-Cordless-Tapping-Driver/dp/B07J5XXK1M/ref=psdc_552862_t3_B0723515TCThank you so much for taking the time and answering my questions! I really appreciate it! As I mentioned, I have the Metabo impact and it is a great tool. So I know they make great products, but I kind of want to treat myself to an ultra high end hammer drill. To be honest though, you have swayed me in going for the Metabo hammer as it is almost half the cost and has very similar features. I'll have to sleep on it. I'll let you know what I end up going with. Again, thank you very much for your input.
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Post by aas on May 12, 2020 10:26:04 GMT -5
I got the Metabo as it was cheaper, then a new Mafell came up cheap (both non-hammer versions)
They are the same, the Mafell tends to stay in the workshop, the Metabo has become the 'beater' drill. No reason to choose the Mafell over the Metabo apart from colour!
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Post by skycorrigan7 on May 14, 2020 20:50:19 GMT -5
I got the Metabo as it was cheaper, then a new Mafell came up cheap (both non-hammer versions) They are the same, the Mafell tends to stay in the workshop, the Metabo has become the 'beater' drill. No reason to choose the Mafell over the Metabo apart from colour! Thanks for the response! I'm still on the fence, but am leaning toward the Mafell. Something about it makes me going back to it.
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Post by aas on May 15, 2020 0:08:31 GMT -5
I got the Metabo as it was cheaper, then a new Mafell came up cheap (both non-hammer versions) They are the same, the Mafell tends to stay in the workshop, the Metabo has become the 'beater' drill. No reason to choose the Mafell over the Metabo apart from colour! Thanks for the response! I'm still on the fence, but am leaning toward the Mafell. Something about it makes me going back to it. It does look cooler in red and black!.. go for it, you'll not regret it!
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Post by huntsgemein on May 15, 2020 0:38:21 GMT -5
The Mafell versions have a nicer suspension clip. It just looks a little easier to hook up to one's tool belt. But Metabo's 3 year warranty & newer technology - especially that 3-speed gearbox - makes a pretty compelling argument.
Not to mention the cost savings (USD $220+)!
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Post by aas on May 15, 2020 9:05:36 GMT -5
To be fair, my Mafell was cheaper than the Metabo!.. and it's red!
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Post by skycorrigan7 on May 16, 2020 15:21:52 GMT -5
To be fair, my Mafell was cheaper than the Metabo!.. and it's red! You're not in the US, I assume? If so HOW DID YOU FIND IT CHEAPER?! LOL
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Post by skycorrigan7 on May 16, 2020 15:23:53 GMT -5
The Mafell versions have a nicer suspension clip. It just looks a little easier to hook up to one's tool belt. But Metabo's 3 year warranty & newer technology - especially that 3-speed gearbox - makes a pretty compelling argument. Not to mention the cost savings (USD $220+)! Metabo has a newer gearbox? Interesting... I'll have to look at that. Thanks!
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Post by huntsgemein on May 17, 2020 10:16:31 GMT -5
The Mafell versions have a nicer suspension clip. It just looks a little easier to hook up to one's tool belt. But Metabo's 3 year warranty & newer technology - especially that 3-speed gearbox - makes a pretty compelling argument. Not to mention the cost savings (USD $220+)! Metabo has a newer gearbox? Interesting... I'll have to look at that. Thanks! Read the second post (the first reply) in this thread.
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Post by aas on May 17, 2020 10:54:04 GMT -5
To be fair, my Mafell was cheaper than the Metabo!.. and it's red! You're not in the US, I assume? If so HOW DID YOU FIND IT CHEAPER?! LOL Germany... I'm in France, but most of my tools come from Germany. It was a body only - no batts, charger, case or chuck for 150€ if I remember right. I picked up a Mafell bit holder for 20€, and a Mafell chuck for about 30€ - so 200€ in total.
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Post by aas on May 17, 2020 10:55:08 GMT -5
The Mafell versions have a nicer suspension clip. It just looks a little easier to hook up to one's tool belt. But Metabo's 3 year warranty & newer technology - especially that 3-speed gearbox - makes a pretty compelling argument. Not to mention the cost savings (USD $220+)! Metabo has a newer gearbox? Interesting... I'll have to look at that. Thanks! The only multi speed drills I have had, have finished by having problems with selection. Maybe Metabo has got it right... the 2 speed works well and has pedigree.
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