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Post by reefvw on Jan 10, 2020 7:54:56 GMT -5
Dear forum members,
After being a member for a small time, first post with a question.
Does anyone have a comparison between the Mafell guide rail bag and the Bosch fsn bag. There are very limited (as far as I can find) images of the mafell bag, a few of bosch. The following questions arise - Any good quality pictures of outside and inside
- Do the bags have dividers for different rulers
- Padding thickness, protection, the bosch seems little thicker but cant find good quality images of mafell
- Pocket for clamps and connector (mafell seems bigger pocket for f-sz 180 clamps, do they fit in bosch?)
- Bosch comes at a lower price and looks very well detailed.
All pictures and comments are welcome. thank you. |
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Post by chippiegary on Jan 10, 2020 12:59:29 GMT -5
Hi - I have both of them , both bags don’t have inner straps or dividers , the Bosch feels more padded but the mafell is stiffer fabric so I think mafell would protect it better “ my opinion only “ both have a single pocket on the outside the Bosch having the larger pocket , mafell pocket is still large enough for me to fit clamps , rail square etc . Here in the uk “ not sure where you are based “ Bosch bag is considerably cheaper than the mafell , my preference is still the mafell bag but only because it’s mafell 😂 , I think either bags are very good 👍oh one more thing I’ve just noticed Bosch main zip opens on three edges so bag can be opened out flat “ if that makes sense ?” Where as mafell is just one long zip “rails have to be placed inside the bag , both bags have double zips “ so can be opened from either end . Good luck with your choice regards. Gary
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Post by kraftt on Jan 10, 2020 13:59:42 GMT -5
Don't have the Bosch bag but will agree with chippiegary as to the build quality of the mafell bag and plenty of room in accessory pouch.
My mafell bag came with a 5cm wide x 48cm velcro strip sewn inside one end of the rail pouch where a re-positionable semi-rigid flat 15cm x 20cm mating flap attaches. Never understood its intended purpose but my guess is that you can secure rails shorter than 1600 from sliding back and forth with it (?)
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Post by reefvw on Jan 10, 2020 17:39:38 GMT -5
Hi - I have both of them , both bags don’t have inner straps or dividers , the Bosch feels more padded but the mafell is stiffer fabric so I think mafell would protect it better “ my opinion only “ both have a single pocket on the outside the Bosch having the larger pocket , mafell pocket is still large enough for me to fit clamps , rail square etc . Here in the uk “ not sure where you are based “ Bosch bag is considerably cheaper than the mafell , my preference is still the mafell bag but only because it’s mafell 😂 , I think either bags are very good 👍oh one more thing I’ve just noticed Bosch main zip opens on three edges so bag can be opened out flat “ if that makes sense ?” Where as mafell is just one long zip “rails have to be placed inside the bag , both bags have double zips “ so can be opened from either end . Good luck with your choice regards. Gary Thanks Gary for summing that up. Some interesting details that add up to comparison. Located in the Netherlands, so both bags are available, Bosch at 1/2 of price of Mafell  oh dear how can I make this work). Both sound like decent bags for protection. Mafell is quite fixed on prices, might try to get a set from the uk. Any images welcome but you summed it up very clear. |
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Post by reefvw on Jan 10, 2020 17:44:41 GMT -5
Don't have the Bosch bag but will agree with chippiegary as to the build quality of the mafell bag and plenty of room in accessory pouch. My mafell bag came with a 5cm wide x 48cm velcro strip sewn inside one end of the rail pouch where a re-positionable semi-rigid flat 15cm x 20cm mating flap attaches. Never understood its intended purpose but my guess is that you can secure rails shorter than 1600 from sliding back and forth with it (?) Good to know, definitely worth while with a shorter 1100 and 800 in foresight...(but then I guess the 800 would still float within the 1100 strap. |
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Post by kraftt on Jan 10, 2020 19:26:19 GMT -5
Yeah, that was just a wild guess - it's still a puzzle to me what the velcro and pad are actually for. I notice now that the long velcro strip is sewn on both sides.
Another difference to be aware of is that the Bosch bag shoulder strap seems to carry it like a purse across the shoulder so that the bag rides somewhere closer to horizontal like carrying a board in your hand. The mafell design has the ends of the shoulder strap sewn slightly asymmetrical, and one closer to the bag end than the other, so that the intent is to sling it either over one shoulder, or over your head to the other shoulder, with the result being that it rides closer to vertical hugging your back like a modern quiver. Less likely to slip off shoulder and leaves room for hands to carry without bag in the way. Easier to move between doors / objects too on your way to destination. I like this a lot because it works great but equally because someone really thought it out. If or how much you would use this feature depends.
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Post by reefvw on Jan 11, 2020 10:53:51 GMT -5
Yeah, that was just a wild guess - it's still a puzzle to me what the velcro and pad are actually for. I notice now that the long velcro strip is sewn on both sides. Another difference to be aware of is that the Bosch bag shoulder strap seems to carry it like a purse across the shoulder so that the bag rides somewhere closer to horizontal like carrying a board in your hand. The mafell design has the ends of the shoulder strap sewn slightly asymmetrical, and one closer to the bag end than the other, so that the intent is to sling it either over one shoulder, or over your head to the other shoulder, with the result being that it rides closer to vertical hugging your back like a modern quiver. Less likely to slip off shoulder and leaves room for hands to carry without bag in the way. Easier to move between doors / objects too on your way to destination. I like this a lot because it works great but equally because someone really thought it out. If or how much you would use this feature depends. I hadn't realised "pouch" the bag of the Mafell was actually smaller because the straps mislead. Good to know. Yes more attention to detail as the Bosch also seems to have its detailing. |
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Post by reefvw on Jan 12, 2020 18:27:24 GMT -5
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Post by kraftt on Jan 13, 2020 1:01:23 GMT -5
It may have been the same person that posted on FOG years ago - LINK
In all the photos I've seen it always looks like the mafell bag is a bit longer, but not sure which one has more expansion though. All I know is that I'm very happy with my mafell bag. |
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Post by jimbouk on Jan 13, 2020 4:40:27 GMT -5
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Post by reefvw on Jan 31, 2020 15:14:25 GMT -5
That looks very nice. Ended up buying the Bosch bag, half the price of Mafell just didnt justify going for it. The padding on the inside seems different then I thought it was from scarse pictures, I thought there was a silver inside in the Bosch There is soft padding but it is inbetween the in and outside...the edges that would be most vulnerable are less protected. Still thick cloth however. |
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Post by reefvw on Jan 31, 2020 19:27:53 GMT -5
After deciding on the Bosch FSN BAG (1610Z00020) some extra information for future buyers of a guiderail bag for Bosch or Mafell. The Bosch FSN BAG looks to be quite nicely made, with attention to detail in stitching and finish. Little details like stitching the Bosch logo and name, branded zippers and Bosch labels give the bag a nice premium touch. The carry straps can be connected with a Velcro wrap, (as if you are carrying a 25kg bag in the airport...  ). The -adjustable length- shoulder strap has metal clips, attach to a metal ring, a soft shoulder pad too . The pouch for accessories on the side is nicely made. Stiching is done so that the bag can really be filled with some clamps and other stuff e.g. a very nice detail which takes effort to make. The inside of the zipper has a protection all way round of both sides. Both sides have thicker bump protection although the material does not go all the height and length of the bag (see pictures orange line). That is unfortunate because corners are the places where you would like most protection. The ends of the bag have extra strap-like wear and tear nylon. The thin bottom length -that connects both sides of the bag also has a cushion padding which is a nice detail (I'm not sure if the rulers could still be placed so they miss the padding but Bosch have clearly done there best to detail the bag. Its hard to get padding all the way round, most of the area's are covered. There are minor things that could be added, a divider in the bag for multiple rulers against scraping, a strap to secure shorter rulers (like the Mafell bag has I believe?), extensive padding all the way to and in the corners. All in all I am quite impressed how nicely detailed this bag is, especially for its very reasonable price (€45).
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Post by kraftt on Jan 31, 2020 21:51:05 GMT -5
It’s funny, mafell sews in a semi rigid plastic sheet between the fabric the length of bag but only on one side. This plastic sheet then bends around each end but stops short on the other side after about 100mm. So at both ends this plastic fold over makes for one rigid pointy corner (bottom of bag) and one tight radius rigid rounded corner (to accommodate zipper). The bag is strictly a pocket, it can not butterfly open like the Bosch.
I almost never lay the bag down onsite because of this (unless I need all three rails). Leaving the carry straps/handle velcro’ed together and in the way I always lean it upright, unzip three quarters down, and pull up & out on the rail(s) I’m after. I assume they may have intended the bag be used in vertical access by how the storage pocket unzips. Fully unzipped (only opens half the pocket space) it still functions as a pouch so items don’t fall out.
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Post by aas on Feb 1, 2020 14:23:44 GMT -5
Ended up buying the Bosch bag, half the price of Mafell just didnt justify going for it. Not sure where you are based... I do my best to not take Mafell/Festool/Lamello branded Systainers out with me - all plain grey AUER toolboxes - I just don't want to advertise what's in my van every time I open the door!.. despite a lot of security, tracking etc. - better be safe than sorry!
I'd chose the Bosch bag because there's less chance someone will spot it... looks sweet too, good pictures, thanks.
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Post by reefvw on Feb 2, 2020 11:01:50 GMT -5
Ended up buying the Bosch bag, half the price of Mafell just didnt justify going for it. Not sure where you are based... I do my best to not take Mafell/Festool/Lamello branded Systainers out with me - all plain grey AUER toolboxes - I just don't want to advertise what's in my van every time I open the door!.. despite a lot of security, tracking etc. - better be safe than sorry!
I'd chose the Bosch bag because there's less chance someone will spot it... looks sweet too, good pictures, thanks.
This is just hobby for me but I can relate to that from others that have had break ins in vans.
I'm in the Netherlands here. What I understand is that Tanos makes and designs the systainer boxes and systems (so also for festool, or at least the design). However I've been told by a shop owner that he just can't buy the Tanos boxes at the low rate he buys Festool boxes (even so they are practical the same).
I'd prefer having neutral Tanos boxes to put all stuff in and ability to connect to "other systainer brands" boxes, however your better off buying Festool boxes for all other stuff price wise.
I'm not so fond or eager having everything "green color coded, but not the content/gear" (not that there is something wrong with having a green wall....wish had the gear), but it shows off to everyone when you walk to the car or open the boot somewhere.
Having a same system systainer or L-boxx is in a way a little convenient with storage, I have both.... in the end I think I'll end up making a more compact inlay because a small drill and charger doesnt need to be in a L-boxx on itselt....rather have everything as compact as possible than piles of boxes. I get it you already do this with the AUER boxes.
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oh dear how can I make this work). Both sound like decent bags for protection.
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