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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 1, 2014 16:57:11 GMT -5
Thanks GhostFist, that's really helpful info!
So, based on your experience, would you say that the KSS 300 is a little underpowered for ripping down 2x materials? I don't rip every day, but I do so frequently enough that I'd want my "Go-To" saw be able to handle it. Of course, I suppose I could use the KSS 300 for general cross cutting at 0 bevel, and it it's a little underpowered for rips I could either use the MT 55cc with a parallel guide, or break out my Makita hypoid saw.
One thing I'm a LITTLE leary about, since I'm VERY new to Mafell I'm not entirely clear on where some of these products are within their life cycles. As in, "This saw design is 7 years old and is due for a replacement any day now." Seeing the MF 26 plunge saw used as a KSS saw, I can only imagine that (as wrightwoodwork suggested) the next MT 55 saw might have some of that functionality, or as you suggested, features now appearing in the KSS 80 will trickle down to future iterations of the 300 or 400.
Does anybody have any ideas, speculation, or inside info/rumors of future Mafell offerings?
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Post by christoph on Jan 1, 2014 17:25:30 GMT -5
wrightwoodwork, you mentioned a KSS version of the MT 55 as being an ideal. I was just watching the Mafell video for their MF 26, and at 2:08 it shows the saw on a KSS-style track. Is this something we might see on a future version of the MT 55cc? BTW, how old is the MT 55cc? Is it due for an update (KSS functionality?  ?), or is it a relatively recent release? 2:08-2:35 jalvis, that's a fantastic value on those Bosch guide tracks! I'll have to see how they compare to buying from Timberwolf (figuring in taxes, shipping, and customs). Hi, and welcome in the MUF-Forum :-) Good to have you here! The whole vid you posted is about the MF 26 multi cutter, no KSS-Style plunge saw is shown in this vid, sorry ;-) The MT55 plunge saw isn't EOL or even near  Perhaps Mafell is willing to invent a new KSS-style base for it. Cause Mafell is a very small company, it is useful to write them what your interested in and what you need in your daily job! |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 1, 2014 17:40:35 GMT -5
TOMG I think your thinking is pretty spot on with with getting the mt55 for more the pression side of things then as ghost fist says the kss400 maybe better if you're doing a lot of first fix but if you're doing more second fix then the kss 300 is better suited. For cutting the plumb and seat cuts on the common rafters is perfectly ok. You only
need the kss80 for more the hip or valleys to cut your jacks. Woodie will be able to elaborate more and it's good and bad points I don't know if they have a kss/mt55 coming out the ksp saws are quiet an old design and they might be having the new KS versions coming out but haven't heard anything to say. Ghost fish you say about the new guide rails for the mf26 and the kss80 I have a fling but could be wrong the guide rail for mf26 might fit the mt55. Also if you're wondering the quality of mafell tools even there parallel guide fences are solid there no play in the legs if you damage them you have to be trying where a lot of others a very flimsy
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Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 1, 2014 17:54:07 GMT -5
wrightwoodwork, you mentioned a KSS version of the MT 55 as being an ideal. I was just watching the Mafell video for their MF 26, and at 2:08 it shows the saw on a KSS-style track. Is this something we might see on a future version of the MT 55cc? BTW, how old is the MT 55cc? Is it due for an update (KSS functionality? ?), or is it a relatively recent release? 2:08-2:35 jalvis, that's a fantastic value on those Bosch guide tracks! I'll have to see how they compare to buying from Timberwolf (figuring in taxes, shipping, and customs). Hi, and welcome in the MUF-Forum :-) Good to have you here! The whole vid you posted is about the MF 26 multi cutter, no KSS-Style plunge saw is shown in this vid, sorry ;-) The MT55 plunge saw isn't EOL or even near Perhaps Mafell is willing to invent a new KSS-style base for it. Cause Mafell is a very small company, it is useful to write them what your interested in and what you need in your daily job! Great info, thanks Christoph! The KSS functionality I was referring to is from approximately 2:08-2:30 of the video you linked, it shows the MF 26 on a KSS-style track. So, rather than suggesting a KSS-style plunge mechanism, I'm referring more to the "captured track" mechanism that allows you use the saw "free hand" with the aid of an attached track. Does that make sense? Great idea on contacting Mafell directly! Timberwolf has been reasonably helpful as well, though of course the ultimate is to hold some of these tools in my hands…. Anybody in the Twin Cities, Minnesota area own some Mafell tools? |
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 1, 2014 18:15:12 GMT -5
Here's a photo of the ksp85 tilted to 60 degrees just free standing with the parallel guide rail turned upside down making the base Evan wider and more stable  |
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 1, 2014 19:50:39 GMT -5
Is that your kitchen sink work bench, Aaron?
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 1, 2014 20:21:58 GMT -5
Yep does everything that place did he's done this time or at least in the dish washer a new kitchen worktops is planed also busy doing the she'd when money allows and the weather keeps raining so not ideal to get the roof sealed got the door made and the frame ready to knock up off for 2 weeks and the weather has been rubbish. Does the building trade in America close down for 2 weeks. I noticed I've got an extra star
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Post by jalvis on Jan 2, 2014 11:11:49 GMT -5
That KSS rail for the 26 would be great with the MT55. Although the MT55 would need a new base, Correct?
Not being able to see and demo tools is a major negative. Although from my experience the Mafell quality is so high I can't imagine returning anything.
There are no days off in the USA. It comes down to each individual business.
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Post by jalvis on Jan 2, 2014 11:28:36 GMT -5
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Jan 2, 2014 11:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah the mt55 would need a different base I can't see why this won't maybe turn up in the future the kss system I believe is a system that mafell will further advance. There new tools both use it the kss80 and the mf26/400 if they did not believe in it the new tools would not have. The kss400 and the mf26/400 both use the same rails. Where the kss80 uses a different rail but works the same.
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Post by woodie on Jan 2, 2014 12:55:44 GMT -5
Is the Angle Fence (F-WA) long enough to use on its own for cutting 2x4's or 2x6's. If it is, I would think this with the MT55 would make for a pretty versatile setup. I know the saw wouldn't attach to the rail like the KSS400 but you would get better dust collection, more power, and a more versatile saw for breaking down sheet goods. Since the plunge mechanism is similar to Festool's I think the MT55 would be an easier transition too. The KSS80 is an awesome saw but I don't think it's the "one" saw to get. I only say that because it's pretty big and bit more cumbersome to handle when cutting smaller pieces. That said I have used mine to cut 3/4 plywood using both the F-Guide and KSS rail. Aside from the weight of the saw it felt like I was cutting paper, and that was with the 56 tooth blade...  The plunge mechanism takes some getting used to. It's a very precise system but it's a two handed affair. Fine dust collection on the KSS80 is really pretty good too, in fact I would say it's as good as my TS75. Considering the open blade housing, I think that's a pretty spectacular achievement. The larger chips don't get extracted as well though so you are left with a bit of a mess after. Bevel adjustment is awesome on this saw, and is actually the main reason I bought it. It's easy to set a precise bevel angle and it locks in place with one lever. You can even bevel out to 60 degrees. Oh I could go on and on, but I need to save some stuff for my video, if I ever get to making it... |
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 2, 2014 13:11:52 GMT -5
IMO the kss version of the MT55 is the KSS 400. As Ive said, the plunging mechanism on the MT55 I don't think is ideal for the kss but, much of the same advantages of the KSS system can be utilized with the MT55 just by using the angle track.
This is also a possibility for the op to get the most out of a single purchase and expand from there. Start with the MT55, what tracks you feel work best for you, including the angle track. Then in the future perhaps compliment with the kss 300 or the kss 80 if you feel you need some massive muscle for your work. The quick blade change on the 55 can make it rapidly adaptable to a variety of job applications and if you're considering one anyway I feel it's an amazing way to start. Added bonus, it's compatible with festool tracks, which the 400 isn't, so it might be a more affordable option to start with anyway until you realize how much better the mafell/bosch tracks are.
I have an old style of the angle fence that doesn't fit into the mafell max box, but i understand the newer versions do, making it a compact unit that packs up in a single systainer. The kss 400 comes in a much larger box.
I change my vote, start with the 55!
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Post by woodie on Jan 2, 2014 13:16:09 GMT -5
One thing I'm a LITTLE leary about, since I'm VERY new to Mafell I'm not entirely clear on where some of these products are within their life cycles. As in, "This saw design is 7 years old and is due for a replacement any day now." Seeing the MF 26 plunge saw used as a KSS saw, I can only imagine that (as wrightwoodwork suggested) the next MT 55 saw might have some of that functionality, or as you suggested, features now appearing in the KSS 80 will trickle down to future iterations of the 300 or 400. Does anybody have any ideas, speculation, or inside info/rumors of future Mafell offerings? I think Mafell is as tight lipped as Festool when it comes to release of new tools. The last big release, and I think the one before it, was timed around the Ligna trade show in Hannover. I'm pretty sure the show is in May, but I'm not sure if it's held annually or every two years? A quick look online shows the next one in 2015. |
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 2, 2014 13:18:40 GMT -5
BTW I just read Woodie's post after writing mine and he's saying the same thing. look forward to that vid  |
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Post by GhostFist on Jan 2, 2014 13:25:29 GMT -5
Gonna try and find a link I stumbled upon the other day that I believed showed a prototype spot repair system by mafell. Could be wrong on that though.
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?), or is it a relatively recent release?
Perhaps Mafell is willing to invent a new KSS-style base for it.
The plunge mechanism takes some getting used to. It's a very precise system but it's a two handed affair. Fine dust collection on the KSS80 is really pretty good too, in fact I would say it's as good as my TS75. Considering the open blade housing, I think that's a pretty spectacular achievement. The larger chips don't get extracted as well though so you are left with a bit of a mess after. Bevel adjustment is awesome on this saw, and is actually the main reason I bought it. It's easy to set a precise bevel angle and it locks in place with one lever. You can even bevel out to 60 degrees. Oh I could go on and on, but I need to save some stuff for my video, if I ever get to making it...