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Post by aas on May 31, 2019 12:27:28 GMT -5
Just picked up a body only A18M for 140€ brand new - no chucks batteries or charger, but I have them already. It's very nice!
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Post by thehandyman on May 31, 2019 23:56:13 GMT -5
Excellent! I have the Metabo variant and it's awesome. Really like it.
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Post by henrun on Jun 1, 2019 12:58:57 GMT -5
Just picked up a body only A18M for 140€ brand new - no chucks batteries or charger, but I have them already. It's very nice! Legend has it that Mafell tweaks the motor output on their rebadged machines. It is a nice, solid machine. Should you be interested I have a spare bit chuck left over from when I had one. I could ship it out free of charge. They are well built and fit the A18m as well as the smaller siblings. |
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Post by aas on Jun 1, 2019 13:35:22 GMT -5
Thanks, I just picked one up on promo for 19€! I already have the Metabo equivalent drill and the A10M, so OK for bit holders. Can't wait to use it in the wild.
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Post by brice on Jun 1, 2019 14:51:32 GMT -5
Excellent! I have the Metabo variant and it's awesome. Really like it. interesting, what is the model of metabo equivalent? |
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Post by thehandyman on Jun 1, 2019 16:28:58 GMT -5
Excellent! I have the Metabo variant and it's awesome. Really like it. interesting, what is the model of metabo equivalent? Here you go     |
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Post by aas on Jun 2, 2019 1:03:06 GMT -5
That's the same Metabo I have, same batts too. They're excellent drills.
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Post by richie on Oct 8, 2020 16:04:27 GMT -5
If the Drill battery swivelled 360 like the Metabo angle grinder, you wouldn't need the right angle chuck....half the time...Is that thing handy or apita?
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Post by huntsgemein on Oct 9, 2020 3:24:24 GMT -5
Huh? Swivelling the battery? The angle drive isn't so much about just right angled access, but more about accessing tight spots with low clearance like boring cableways between closely-set studs, or between the webs of structural steel girders etc. Or even just screwdriving inside tight carcasses, between built-in furnitue & a ceiling etc. With 43 MM collar ring lever & Quick chuck mounting it's really fast to mount & remove with just enough size to allow the operator to lean some extra bodyweight on the opposite side of the angle drive for extra bite into whatever you're drilling & to prevent cam-out of your screw-heads. It also has a hex recess for even shorter & less accessible solutions.
In these circumstances, the lovely little alloy drive unit is utterly invaluable. You get all the convenience of a dedicated angle drill, but with a dramatically reduced price & the versatility of a conventional drill as well. Those angle drive units are tough: they'll even cope with the massive 75 Nm. of twist from the BE75. I know they also make a couple of smaller, lighter, weaker versions for the last few generations of the Powermaxx, A10 & BS 18 Quick, but I don't think I'd trust the lightweight iterations with something like an auger or holesaw in heavy work. Just as with the little drills, the smaller angle adapters are really only suited to lighter duty drilling & driving tasks.
As for the angle drives being a PITA.... I once had the intense displeasure to try to use a Makita dedicated angle drill with a geared chuck that continually loosened itself in operation. I would've gladly burned the bloody thing, thrown it under a lorry, pitched it from a great height, etc. But it wasn't mine, being borrowed. So instead just sucked it up & returned it, thanking the owner & informing him that his tool was actually WORSE than useless & made a follow-up lunchtime telephone order for the Metabo unit.
As with their angle grinders, inside the alloy case there's a full compliment of bearings to support the helical cut bevel drive gears. In short; pukka quality, showing thoughtful design & clever manufacture.
Incidentally, there's also an offset drive unit available for the smaller, low-powered "Quick" range, which fits the 10.8 & 12 V Powermaxx/Mafell A10, Bs 18 Quick & BS 18 L BL Q. Really only suited to screwdriving really close to perpendicular surfaces, it nonetheless has its uses.
It's these pretty high quality accessories (angle, offset & torque multiplying drives & Quick change chucks plus their Impuls drive, electronic torque control & pressure sensitive autoreversing on the tapping drill) that help to make Metabo's cordless drilling system the very best & most versatile available on the market.
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Post by aas on Oct 9, 2020 6:28:34 GMT -5
Not getting the swivelling battery thing either...
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Post by richie on Oct 9, 2020 8:13:24 GMT -5
Huh? Swivelling the battery? The angle drive isn't so much about just right angled access, but more about accessing tight spots with low clearance like boring cableways between closely-set studs, or between the webs of structural steel girders etc. Or even just screwdriving inside tight carcasses, between built-in furnitue & a ceiling etc. With 43 MM collar ring lever & Quick chuck mounting it's really fast to mount & remove with just enough size to allow the operator to lean some extra bodyweight on the opposite side of the angle drive for extra bite into whatever you're drilling & to prevent cam-out of your screw-heads. It also has a hex recess for even shorter & less accessible solutions. In these circumstances, the lovely little alloy drive unit is utterly invaluable. You get all the convenience of a dedicated angle drill, but with a dramatically reduced price & the versatility of a conventional drill as well. Those angle drive units are tough: they'll even cope with the massive 75 Nm. of twist from the BE75. I know they also make a couple of smaller, lighter, weaker versions for the last few generations of the Powermaxx, A10 & BS 18 Quick, but I don't think I'd trust the lightweight iterations with something like an auger or holesaw in heavy work. Just as with the little drills, the smaller angle adapters are really only suited to lighter duty drilling & driving tasks. As for the angle drives being a PITA.... I once had the intense displeasure to try to use a Makita dedicated angle drill with a geared chuch that continually loosened itself in operation. I would've gladly burned the bloody thing, thrown it under a lorry, pitched it from a great height, etc. But it wasn't mine, being borrowed. So instead just sucked it up & returned it, thanking the owner & informing him that his tool was actually WORSE than useless & made a follow-up lunchtime telephone order for the Metabo unit. As with their angle grinders, inside the alloy case there's a full compliment of bearings to support the helical cut bevel drive gears. In short; pukka quality, showing thoughtful design & clever manufacture. Incidentally, there's also an offset drive unit available for the smaller, low-powered "Quick" range, which fits the 10.8 & 12 V Powermaxx/Mafell A10, Bs 18 Quick & BS 18 L BL Q. Really only suited to screwdriving really close to perpendicular surfaces, it nonetheless has its uses. It's these pretty high quality accessories (angle, offset & torque multiplying drives & Quick change chucks plus their Impuls drive, electronic torque control & pressure sensitive autoreversing on the tapping drill) that help to make Metabo's cordless drilling system the very best & most versatile available on the market. Ok |
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Post by richie on Oct 9, 2020 8:27:14 GMT -5
Not getting the swivelling battery thing either... The battery on the end of the angle grinder, can spin round, through 360 degrees to allow some limited flexibility with regards to access, angle of attack etc. .. although I heard they can be apita. |
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Post by aas on Oct 9, 2020 15:33:19 GMT -5
They are a PITA - that's why I sold mine - otherwise a good grinder.. but I don't see how it would benefit a drill, I mean, the battery never gets in the way, it's the motor that gets in the way.
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Post by huntsgemein on Oct 9, 2020 19:54:54 GMT -5
I have one too. My swivelling linkage detents have yet to become weak or floppy, & the grinder itself is pretty good.
When I say good, I mean it's maybe not as robust as their corded range. Wouldn't expect it to be, really. Tellingly, however, it's not even the equal of the Bosch range of cordless grinders. Even my decade-old Bosch brushed cordless grinder performed better: faster, (anecdotally) more powerful & precisely controlled in regard to auto shutoff. Most other cordless grinders tend to automatically shut down when heavily loaded. Not the old Bosch, yet it would cut in a heartbeat when a cutting/slitting disc jammed!
Sometime in early production the actual manufacture was translocated from Nurtingen to the Far East. This was when the rot set in, with Metabo's quality beginning to show distinct bifurcation commensurate with the tools' country of manufacture.
Worst cordless ginder I've ever used was an LXT Makita. This joke of a tool actually turned me off the brand for life!
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Post by aas on Oct 10, 2020 0:49:01 GMT -5
Yes the early LXT grinders were useless, the newer ones are OK, I had a brushless one before the Metabo. I used to be 100% Makita for cordless, still have quite a bit. It's difficult to have the best of everything...
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