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Post by skinee on Apr 15, 2019 7:42:12 GMT -5
don't know if this has been mentioned on here yet,i think the guy might be one of our members?,interesting idea,i think it could readily be adapted to enable other brand saws to run on the rails sorry cant seem to copy/paste the link,go to youtube,search Bisch Basch Bosch,its his most recent video.perhaps some one else could kindly post the link.
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Post by aas on Apr 15, 2019 14:38:06 GMT -5
I think you mean this :
... cumbersome, FSN angle guide is not accurate, has to plunge unlike a proper KSS
I'd rather have a KSS!
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Post by skinee on Apr 15, 2019 16:25:23 GMT -5
that's the one thank you for posting the link aas,I think the angle guide is more than accurate enough for short crosscutting,mine is certainly,until I had the kss400 and kss40 I used the angle guide and a short rail along with the mt55 for about two years.now I just cant be bothered with a corded saw unless theres no alternative,as the kss40 just hasn't the depth of cut for 2" and the kss 50 by most accounts is a little under powered im thinking of trying this idea with my 18v hitachi,if it does not work I will only be out the price of the plastic,worth a try I think.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 15, 2019 20:17:52 GMT -5
Nah, he's just ripping me off from 2017 and posting it as something that he's figured out on his own. People are desperate for original content to keep their viewership or likes or whatever going so they steal. Just the nature of the beast. mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/913/wafell
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Post by kraftt on Apr 15, 2019 22:04:14 GMT -5
Partially what aas says is true, though I do use mine from time to time (last week in fact). Though I fully agree about the FSN. Where the wafell shines is slapping a square on the bottom of the rail for small repeating cuts where you need to constantly lift your MT off and on again. Or even without a square if you are following a line (if the cuts are longer than a KSS track). It's a nice single motion with a short track. One thing the guy left out that video was that without a rail stop clamped on behind the saw the track can slip off if you're not paying attention. The MT isn't exactly that light so choosing between a KSS of the same weight, or smaller & lighter, is a no brainer without even considering the KSS auto return of the saw. But if you're using an MT for paneling the wafell it has come in quite handy. I've been through iterations where I adapted a digital protractor (photo) to the bottom of the rail but it was too fiddley since I had to set it all up each time and then zero it back out for every new angle etc. I took apart the electronic part of the protractor once and it is very doable to mount it onto the rail (onto thicker arms first) so that you only have a single functioning unit - but how often do I cut these angles so I've put it aside for now. 
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Post by kraftt on Apr 15, 2019 22:21:47 GMT -5
... im thinking of trying this idea with my 18v hitachi,if it does not work I will only be out the price of the plastic, worth a try I think. If you do try this I would be very concerned about using anything, considered 'plastic', other than Polycarbonate (aka lexan). In the video the guy states he is using HDPE. Personally I think that is a poor choice as it is way too soft a material for the amount of profile involved here. As mentioned in the original post you can also drill two holes in the mafell/Bosch steel rail connector and use it (without compromising its intended function). Alternatively brass might be a good choice to machine from too. I did use nylon bolts to attach mine, without issue so far, but brass bolts are a better choice if you sand down the heads.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 16, 2019 9:18:00 GMT -5
Didn't realize it, someone just informed me, that bishbashbosch is actually a member here. He's the guy I previously ribbed about lifting 'dog collars' from here LINK and here LINK and making a video where he claims - "I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there!" So a few weeks later his creative spark, for ripping off others ideas & claiming them as his own, hasn't slowed. mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/913/wafell
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Post by aas on Apr 16, 2019 9:39:19 GMT -5
So a few weeks later his creative spark, for ripping off others ideas & claiming them as his own, hasn't slowed. If I see a nice idea, I don't think 'damn, now I can't do that'!.. I think 'mmm... I think I can improve that'... I wouldn't worry about it too much, just keep up with your own good ideas!
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Post by kraftt on Apr 16, 2019 10:41:30 GMT -5
So a few weeks later his creative spark, for ripping off others ideas & claiming them as his own, hasn't slowed. If I see a nice idea, I don't think 'damn, now I can't do that'!.. I think 'mmm... I think I can improve that'... I wouldn't worry about it too much, just keep up with your own good ideas! Really aas I would expect better - you're mischaracterizing this. He's making videos where he's clearly portraying himself as coming up with these ideas as his own. Once is a coincidence but shortly after becoming a member here ... twice? BischBashBosch - " The Bosch / Mafell guide rails have a channel up the center that their clever connecter piece slides into. This got me thinking that I could utilize this by shaping a runner attached to the underside of the saw which is what you see me doing here." BischBashBosch - " I've possibly inadvertently created the most versatile bench dog out there!" This then goes beyond only going out of your way to not state or even vaguely acknowledge the source as in '..saw this on the internet and..' . Besides, the Bosch / Mafell track saw community is fairly insular. I wouldn't post if I didn't want to share but this is just creepy to me. (btw - this is my "own good idea")
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Post by skinee on Apr 16, 2019 15:04:46 GMT -5
Nah, he's just ripping me off from 2017 and posting it as something that he's figured out on his own. People are desperate for original content to keep their viewership or likes or whatever going so they steal. Just the nature of the beast. mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/913/wafellthank you kraftt, I had completely forgotten about this(should have bookmarked it),I think delrin might be a good choice of plastic for this application.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 16, 2019 19:11:00 GMT -5
Nah, he's just ripping me off from 2017 and posting it as something that he's figured out on his own. People are desperate for original content to keep their viewership or likes or whatever going so they steal. Just the nature of the beast. mafell-users-forum.freeforums.net/thread/913/wafellthank you kraftt , I had completely forgotten about this(should have bookmarked it),I think delrin might be a good choice of plastic for this application. Hi skinee, Delrins are pretty awesome too. My concern was that if you were not familiar with all the grades or weren't near a good supplier, and only picking up a scrap piece, that perhaps polycarbonate would be a safe bet. I believe Delrin also exhibits great impact resistance. But the words 'impact resistance' often accompany polycarbonate when describing it. If a knowledgeable source prefers Delrin over poly go with what the experts say. For anyone reading this I believe all the KSS saws use a riving knife (?) so when you decide to couple an MT (supposed to have some internal electronic kick protection I think) on a rail without a square attached under it or clamping the rail you're trusting it as a complete unit and leaving the door open to movement / slippage. (*edit - thinking about when cutting small or unstable pieces where a short track would be more likely used)
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Post by aas on Apr 17, 2019 0:48:32 GMT -5
If I see a nice idea, I don't think 'damn, now I can't do that'!.. I think 'mmm... I think I can improve that'... I wouldn't worry about it too much, just keep up with your own good ideas! Really aas I would expect better - you're mischaracterizing this. He's making videos where he's clearly portraying himself as coming up with these ideas as his own. Kraft I agree with you - it's just not worth worrying about people like him. I have lots of ideas, some active, some on the back-burner; some have been granted patent, some submitted to multinational companies - believe me, it's hard to make in-roads with something that's been invented. I have working prototypes that I use in my work. Some of these ideas are entirely original - some have been inspired by other things I've seen (a bit like your guide rail idea being 'inspired' by the KSS saw) - it's no bad thing...
Keep coming up with ideas - it was a positive message - no need to worry about people who copy/rip off ideas. The only way to stop an idea getting out there is keep it to yourself - if you freely share info on a public forum (which is greatly appreciated Kraft, thanks) - someone, somewhere is going to use those ideas.
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Post by kraftt on Apr 17, 2019 11:27:38 GMT -5
Really aas I would expect better - you're mischaracterizing this. He's making videos where he's clearly portraying himself as coming up with these ideas as his own. Kraft I agree with you - it's just not worth worrying about people like him. I have lots of ideas, some active, some on the back-burner; some have been granted patent, some submitted to multinational companies - believe me, it's hard to make in-roads with something that's been invented. I have working prototypes that I use in my work. Some of these ideas are entirely original - some have been inspired by other things I've seen (a bit like your guide rail idea being 'inspired' by the KSS saw) - it's no bad thing...
Keep coming up with ideas - it was a positive message - no need to worry about people who copy/rip off ideas. The only way to stop an idea getting out there is keep it to yourself - if you freely share info on a public forum (which is greatly appreciated Kraft, thanks) - someone, somewhere is going to use those ideas.
No, you're right and I shouldn't have been short with you. It was a thoughtful gesture coming from outside observation. I would totally agree with being 'inspired' by the KSS and more directly by the damn, already existing, part called a 'rail connector' sitting right in front of me (obviously). Two holes later - lol. Realizing its very limited potential I was happy to share the novelty of its use with the MT. I even put up screen shots of the cad dimensions so others could copy it - though with my sense of humor thrown in. I do fully realize that I am sharing to the public, that's why I share the lesser ideas - it's fun. And others have inspired and helped me through the same actions. And I completely relate to having too many projects / products (one we've spoken about before) literally laying all around me as I type this. Many of which I probably won't even attempt a provisional and accept that I'll eventually get drubbed in the market if others decide to make it as well. But my contention isn't with sharing or copying, it is with cringeworthy posers who know better but subvert sharing by changing the optics in service of creating an online presence for the purposes of building an audience. That's literally the issue for me here, especially when it hit so close to home. I enjoy reviews, I enjoy being informed of new products, new uses, novel approaches etc. (who doesn't) but claiming to have reinvented the wheel is irksome to me. And when we are all part of the same conversation globally it's difficult to accept that someone isn't aware of the materials of their trade especially if they are making an effort to broadcast videos, link with /dupe other feeds, post on various forums - with their 'inventions'.
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Post by aas on Apr 17, 2019 15:55:22 GMT -5
No, you're right and I shouldn't have been short with you. It was a thoughtful gesture coming from outside observation. No worries! :-)
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