Post by huntsgemein on Sept 8, 2018 3:10:47 GMT -5
Ok, I'll admit it. My schoolboy German is crap. In fact, the last time it was used in anger was as a young lad in 1983 whilst touring the "Ostbloc" on an old BMW. The old iron curtain countries of Czechoslovakia, Hungary, DDR & Poland never taught English to their citizens, so German (& Russian) were the only "common" language spoken. So as likely as not our mutual communication efforts were almost invariably unintelligible.
However, hopefully some of you are better. From what I'm reading below, Metabo have a "new" range of guiderails, & a suspiciously Bosch/Mafell-esque joiner that fits only a couple of their new saws: the "57" cordless & the "55" corded. From what little I can deduce, this forms yet another (hopefully budget price) source of rails, splinterguards, joiners, angle guides etc. that are compatible with the others we all know & respect.
It also means that there's a new range of saws to join those from Mafell & the new Bosch 18v cordless that fit their common rail system. Maybe even some all-new adapters for Metabo jigsaws too. Probably not Metabo routers, as M don't seem to be really serious about these tools anyway.
So, that's 2 new corded & cordless Metabo, 3 new & old Bosch & a cool dozen or so Mafell saws that will interchange across a 100% compatible rail system & integrated accessory programme, allowing not just saws, but some routers, jigsaws (both corded & cordless) & possible future tools to work seamlessly together.
You gotta love that, even if some of the current (abovementioned) tools are a bit dodgy!
Cool find huntsgemein. Between the clamp, angle guide & connector it looks like rails may be a hybrid (?) using Bosch connector with Fest like clamping slots. Those clamps might not be the correct ones but if they are then I imagine that rails might be a bit thicker than the Mafell/Bosch. I also read that the top of the rails are designed for easy glide - “Thanks to a special covering on the top, saws glide easily over the guide rail”. Very interesting.
But from what they list as their ‘new!’ & compatible clamp and guide it appeared that they insert into a larger channel like on Festool rail. Then I noticed, from that rail edge image, that the track connectors stepped edge vs 60º bevel edge is the one next to their splinter guard. So that even if the guide rail rib, that guides mafell/Bosch saws, matches / is perfectly distanced to splinter guard you most likely couldn’t join mafell/Bosch rail to Metabo rail. (would be very glad to be wrong). The idea that they turned the reception of the probably identical Bosch rail connector 180º does not give me much confidence though.
If they’ve included the mafell/Bosch rib then of course the rail 'stops' should work. The top mount / end of rail Aerofix vac hose connecter will most likely ‘mount’ (from other end) but seems unlikely that the rubber ribs will align / seal to anything.
Still, if it is a hybrid it’s design could lend itself / make easier the implementation of some killer future accessory - oem or 3rd party.
Don’t know what type of plastic Metabo is putting on top to make it worth their while but after owning my saw for a while every lubricant I have tried isn’t any better in my opinion than just cleaning track/rail and bottom of saw. Besides, the rib rubbing against the two plastic ‘snugging’ levers could be the bulk of resistance overshadowing any reduction in resistance elsewhere. If adding anti-friction strips are a noticeable improvement, and durable, I might try experimenting with some clear packing tapes either on top of the rails or on the bottom of the saw. I may have some old self adhesive Kapton tape or some uhmw around somewhere.
Looking at their top view of the rail I'm now wondering it might be just as thin a rail as the mafell/Bosch except for the single clamp / accessory channel which would be the only section that's thick and is used exclusively as also the guide for the slot in bottom of Metabo saws? In other words they possibly opted not to use any proprietary Metabo rib and instead rely on the wide Festool slot in their saws to mate to the new rails (?)
Otherwise the saw base slides over a Festool rib, a Metabo rib, and possibly a mafell/Bosch rib too.
Last Edit: Sept 10, 2018 23:18:41 GMT -5 by kraftt
Post by thehandyman on Sept 11, 2018 0:03:35 GMT -5
From what I was told, as I have a bit of pull to get details, the Metabo specific slotted guide rail section in the new LTX 57 circular saw base is for an upcoming attached guide rail that will make it a carpentry style saw like the KSS 40 and KSS 50.
Has anyone actually got these and used with a mt55 or kss60 ? I think these are now also available in 3m length which would be sweet! I need some new rails and am holding off pulling the trigger on the bosch/mafell ones.
abdon: I stand corrected , the angle fence is only attaches with F -Tracks , what confused me was , that the Timberwolf site mentioned it will work with the NFU machine, yes it will work but only I guess when you use the Ftrack , with other tracks Like the KSS L.
Nov 28, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -5
glynnco: Did you order from GereedschapPro? I see them as in stock but I'm located in the US and am not sure if they ship here. I sent them an email asking about shipping but it was returned undeliverable...
Dec 10, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
jonathan: I've purchased a lot of stuff from our neighbours @ GereedschapPro.nl As far as I know they are one of the larger Mafell dealers in the EU. I can recommend them, they usually respond quickly.
Dec 11, 2020 13:58:36 GMT -5
NFU 50 Transportation?: Hi Guys, is there some Systainer for the NFU 50?
Dec 11, 2020 14:30:12 GMT -5
frezik24: Hello everyone
Dec 13, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
lasse: Thanks for the tip! I have own a mafell rail which is 160 cm and one that is 80 cm. Will it work just as well or will I need to buy rail that is 110 cm?
Mar 18, 2021 15:35:15 GMT -5