sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 13, 2015 18:28:34 GMT -5
Hi, this will be my first post here. My name is Sjur - I'm 18 years and live in Norway. Due to the purchase of the P1CC last week and some messages from the FOG community, I decided to make an account here. I'm saving up for the Mafell UVA 115e/DTS400 and the Mafell KSS400 36V, and I might have a question or two about those machines in the future. Anyhow... I'm investing quite seriously in good quality tools that I wan't to last for a long time. When I built my grandmother a terrace, I needed the TXS to accomplish some difficult screwing. I really like the ergonomics of it, but due to recent circumstances I've having second thoughts about it. I'm educating myself to be an engineer in construction (most likely). Currently I work as a carpenter, and see myself renovating a house in the future. I'm starting to think the Metabo drills will be better suited for that, as I feel the TXS is lacking torque. I want to hear your thoughts of sending my TXS back and buying the Metabo Powermaxx BS quick 10.8 as it's cheaper than the mafell one. My one concern is the ergonomics of the metabo drill. I also have a Bosch 18v drill that I contemplate on selling if I do switch the TXS with the metabo. The bosch will then be replaced with the Metabo SB18 LTX-BL Quick. Does anyone know if the accesories on these two drills are interchangable? It is my understanding that the bits holder is from Wera, which suits me perfectly because I already have the 1/4" and 3/8" ratchet bit and socket set from them. Also, does any one know if it's possible to take the Metabo 5,2ah 18V battery and take in on the Mafell KSS with the 36V battery? My TXS 30 day return warranty ends tomorrow, so time is of the essence!
|
|
|
Post by GhostFist on Jul 13, 2015 21:13:18 GMT -5
As I understand, the 36v kss400 batteries are made by Bosch and therefore not compatible with the Metabo line
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 14, 2015 0:36:48 GMT -5
I haven't used the txs other than pick it up in store. If in all honesty the txs is doing the jobs that you are expecting it to do then personally I'd keep it and use it. Don't get too hung up on chasing the best specification on paper. If it does the job you require then that's all that matters. I have the mafell I personally find the ergonomics fine
|
|
sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 14, 2015 1:57:05 GMT -5
Unforntunate to hear about the batteries, although I were doubting it's compatibality.
I looked the price up for the 10.8 drill and it ends up at 225 USD+angle attachment which in comparison to the TXS costs 383 USD. If the Metabo is everything I think it is, then the TXS is not worth the premium price for me.
I realize I should'nt be chasing specifications - normally after I buy a tool I just ignore every other tool and be happy with the tool I have. However, I'm going to drive and do some errands today, and I'm driving past the festool and metabo store (which doesn't have metabo in stock, so I can't try it out) anyway.
|
|
|
Post by holmz on Jul 14, 2015 8:07:16 GMT -5
Hi, this will be my first post here. My name is Sjur - I'm 18 years and live in Norway. Due to the purchase of the P1CC last week and some messages from the FOG community, I decided to make an account here. I'm saving up for the Mafell UVA 115e/DTS400 and the Mafell KSS400 36V, and I might have a question or two about those machines in the future. Anyhow... I'm investing quite seriously in good quality tools that I wan't to last for a long time. When I built my grandmother a terrace, I needed the TXS to accomplish some difficult screwing. I really like the ergonomics of it, but due to recent circumstances I've having second thoughts about it. I'm educating myself to be an engineer in construction (most likely). Currently I work as a carpenter, and see myself renovating a house in the future. I'm starting to think the Metabo drills will be better suited for that, as I feel the TXS is lacking torque. I want to hear your thoughts of sending my TXS back and buying the Metabo Powermaxx BS quick 10.8 as it's cheaper than the mafell one. My one concern is the ergonomics of the metabo drill. I also have a Bosch 18v drill that I contemplate on selling if I do switch the TXS with the metabo. The bosch will then be replaced with the Metabo SB18 LTX-BL Quick. Does anyone know if the accesories on these two drills are interchangable? It is my understanding that the bits holder is from Wera, which suits me perfectly because I already have the 1/4" and 3/8" ratchet bit and socket set from them. Also, does any one know if it's possible to take the Metabo 5,2ah 18V battery and take in on the Mafell KSS with the 36V battery? My TXS 30 day return warranty ends tomorrow, so time is of the essence! Hi Sjur, I have only had the A10M for a few days but I like it a lot. The mrs even likes it. If you return the TXS you could always rebuy it, but I doubt you would... But I have not used a TXS so I am 1/2 blind. I am pretty sure that the A10M and the Metabo small noe are mostly the same. UVA 115e: I like mine a lot. P1CC: I like mine a lot. 36V saw: Do you need a battery saw? It may make more sense to get a different saw unless you require a battery job.
|
|
sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 14, 2015 8:56:32 GMT -5
I visited the store today and tested the metabo drill. I decided not to replace my TXS. Even though it's lighter with the 2ah battery and packs more punch, the ergonomics was not to my liking and the festool case is far superior. My mother and grandmother shares the TXS with me (they wanted a light drill and be indepentent from me), and considering my grandmother is 85 years old, I figure ergonomics is priority number 1.
I also testet the 18V metabo drill and I liked it a lot. It's lighter than my Bosch GSB 18 VE-2-LI, stronger and the handle is more comfortable. I like the bosch drill, but I'd really like to have the quick fix system. The chucks on the 18v and 10.8v metabos was not interchangable, so there isn't a big downside in owning a festool drill and a metabo drill. In fact, I consider it an advantage having one of each, considering I can use the festool accesories of the TXS on the metabo. They told me the impulse version of the 18v was a gimmick and not really worth getting.
I've been selling a lot of stuff lately from the garage and I'm going to put the bosch drill on the list as well.
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 14, 2015 14:01:04 GMT -5
Sounds like you made the right choice for you. When it comes to premium brands a lot of the time it comes down to personal choice. Not sure if you realise the price of the cordless kss400 it requires you to sit down when getting told the price. Unless you are going to be working months on end where power is impossible to get I would personally recommend the corded version. I personally have both and there is no difference in performance. At the moment I'm using the corded version at the moment as I have power on the job so can use dust extraction with the auto facility. I can use the cordless version with the dust extraction it's just that you have to manually turn it on and is more of an inconvenience.
|
|
sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 14, 2015 14:56:05 GMT -5
Aha, didn't realise there was a big price difference between the two. Too be honest I haven't looked that much into the KSS products. I have a friend that recommended me the saw and said he loved it, and after a quick look it seemed far superior to anything else. Didn't think about manually having to start the vac, I can imagine that being annoying, seeing I will have it plugged in to the vac very often. Yeah - going corded is probably the better option.
I'm going to the store tomorrow to pick up the Metabo 18v. I actually have a lot of cabinets to build as well, and I just got my paycheck from work in the mail, so I was thinking of orderering the KSS400 as well. However, I already have the Kapex, so I was thinking if it is wiser to get the KSS300. It's lighter and everything fits in one systainer.
Another challenger is the Festool HKC55. Is the difference between the KSS400 and the HKC55 that Mafell has better rail system and better plunge cutting, while festool is lighter and has a brushless motor?
I really appreciate your input.
Should probably make this a seperate thread.
|
|
|
Post by wrightwoodwork on Jul 14, 2015 16:46:11 GMT -5
I can't really comment on the hkc as I haven't personally used it. Do you intend to invest the F rails be it bosch or mafell if you do the 400 might suit better of the mt55 as they work at any angle on the rails in relation to the splinter guard. Where the 300 will work at 90 then if bevaling the saw I'm sure it would cut into the splinter guard. Other members will confirm either way. The 300 is a handy pack with everything in one box especially if doing a wide variety of tasks
|
|
|
Post by jm on Jul 14, 2015 16:47:44 GMT -5
My mother and grandmother shares the TXS with me (they wanted a light drill and be indepentent from me), and considering my grandmother is 85 years old, I figure ergonomics is priority number 1. Agreed about the ergonomics, Metabo and Bosch both stuff their batteries into the handles for a smaller package, but the handle ends up being fat. I tend to use the trigger on my Bosch GSR 10.8 V-EC HX with my middle finger because it lets me have more control while using my index finger to stabilize it. and the festool case is far superior Metabo has available versions of their own systainer (they call them Metalocs) and while the old ones were actually systainers, the new ones are their own manufacture. I prefer the new(est) Metabo version, as the lid has a channel that mates with the base of the box, adding a lot more rigidity to a normally floppy box. You do lose the ability to open mid-stack, but I really avoid doing that anyways on the T-Loc systainers because it puts a lot of stress on a pretty flimsy hinge. Here's a little of my stack: I also testet the 18V metabo drill and I liked it a lot. It's lighter than my Bosch GSB 18 VE-2-LI, stronger and the handle is more comfortable. I like the bosch drill, but I'd really like to have the quick fix system. The chucks on the 18v and 10.8v metabos was not interchangable, so there isn't a big downside in owning a festool drill and a metabo drill. In fact, I consider it an advantage having one of each, considering I can use the festool accesories of the TXS on the metabo. They told me the impulse version of the 18v was a gimmick and not really worth getting. I don't have the 10.8v Metabo, but I use the quick release chuck from it on my BS18LTX BL and it works great. Not sure about the right angle chuck, as I actually have the corresponding chuck for it. And I think all the 18v Metabo drills have the impulse function? It's pretty useful if you plan to drill on tile, I haven't used it for removing screws though, but I hear it helps.
|
|
sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 14, 2015 17:20:28 GMT -5
I plan to invest in the mafell/bosch rails as I hear it is superior in terms of splinter guard and alignment when connecting two rails. I'm not sure if I follow, can I adjust the rail to fit the KSS300, so if I tilt the saw it doesn't ruin the splinter guard? I don't plan on getting the MFT table nor the MT55, so if the KSS works on the rail then I'm happy. I do plan on getting the BOSCH OFA 32 kit, but does anyone know if that rail fits the normal rail, so I can connect the 800mm holed rail and a 1,6m rail together and cut sheetgoods?
I think I'll have to go to the Mafell dealership, try the machines out, perhaps ask for their advice, and take it from there.
Interested in the Metalocs. Are they something you have to buy in addition, or can I ask for the drill with the Metaloc box? You say it's their own manufacture, but they look exactly identical to the festool ones, and if I'm not mistaken, those are manufactured by Tanos?
About the 18v drills. I looked at some videoes that showcased the impulse function, and it looked neat and I can see myself using it. The dealership I visit don't have every Metabo in stock, and the only Metabo 18v that was available for testing didn't have impulse function. I asked if they had one with impulse in storage, and the seller looked at me, said "eehh......". I responded with "Is it a gimmick?", and he said "Well, yeah, it kinda is. All it does is BZZZZbzzBZZZbzz with the drill bit, and nobody I know really uses it". I think he was one of the more knowledgable guys there, because I noticed other sellers came to him to ask questions. Does anyone experienced with this drill know if he's mistaken?
EDIT: Come to think about it, there might've been an impulse setting on the torque setting wheel?
|
|
|
Post by jm on Jul 14, 2015 22:18:53 GMT -5
Interested in the Metalocs. Are they something you have to buy in addition, or can I ask for the drill with the Metaloc box? You say it's their own manufacture, but they look exactly identical to the festool ones, and if I'm not mistaken, those are manufactured by Tanos? So the top one on the stack is indeed a Tanos-made Metaloc. The other green one, between the orange and white syatainers, is their newer one, and while they license certain patents from Tanos, they make it themselves in the Czech Republic. It has the over center latch that you see, rather than the T-Loc of the current Tanos systainers. EDIT: Come to think about it, there might've been an impulse setting on the torque setting wheel? Yeah, beyond the lowest setting on the torque setting wheel on my brushless model is the impulse. I was wrong that they're on most/all the 18v drills though, they make a 18v model (BS 18 LT Quick I believe) that's based off the 10.8v one, that uses the normal clutch instead of the electronic one, and the older BS 18 Li that's built on an older frame.
|
|
sjur
New Member
Posts: 13
|
Post by sjur on Jul 15, 2015 2:14:20 GMT -5
Okay then. If I remember correctly, the box the drill came with was an even older model case, with two flaps on each side. The drill that they let me try was nearly identical to your BS 18 LTX BL quick, except the red button behind the speed 1/2 switch. What does that button do? Switch between max torque for drilling and the torque setting put at the wheel?
|
|
|
Post by holmz on Jul 15, 2015 3:32:30 GMT -5
I plan to invest in the mafell/bosch rails as I hear it is superior in terms of splinter guard and alignment when connecting two rails. I'm not sure if I follow, can I adjust the rail to fit the KSS300, so if I tilt the saw it doesn't ruin the splinter guard? I don't plan on getting the MFT table nor the MT55, so if the KSS works on the rail then I'm happy. I do plan on getting the BOSCH OFA 32 kit, but does anyone know if that rail fits the normal rail, so I can connect the 800mm holed rail and a 1,6m rail together and cut sheetgoods? Really 2x 1600 work best as you then have enough overhanging to use clamps.
|
|
|
Post by jm on Jul 15, 2015 9:32:33 GMT -5
Okay then. If I remember correctly, the box the drill came with was an even older model case, with two flaps on each side. The drill that they let me try was nearly identical to your BS 18 LTX BL quick, except the red button behind the speed 1/2 switch. What does that button do? Switch between max torque for drilling and the torque setting put at the wheel? You can buy the plastic inserts for most all their tools to fit in a Metaloc if you'd like to stay with Tanos and Tanos-style containers if it isn't included in the initial purchase. Your dealer might have more info, but I'll try to find you the part number list online. The red button is exactly what you think it is. Instead of having to twist through all the torque settings to get back to drill mode, you just push the button. One minor complaint is that if you're accustomed to holding the drill by the tail, you might accidentally push the button. Some tool reviewers have accidentally pushed this, and have said they "overloaded" the drill, when in fact they just turned on the clutch and the torque setting was reached.
|
|