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Post by MrToolJunkie on May 28, 2015 18:54:21 GMT -5
Ghostfist - do the Festool right angle chucks fit? I see the Centrotec chuck fits the end.
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Post by jm on May 28, 2015 19:31:24 GMT -5
The Metabo version of the 18v drill is on special down here at the moment - 20 to 30% off if you buy in a combo. Going to stop in and have a look tomorrow. If I really like it, and their impact driver, I might consider selling my Hilti gear and moving over. Their impact driver isn't bad, it isn't great either. I use the SSW18 LTX BL 400Nm impact wrench w/ a 1/4" hex adapter when the impact driver falls flat (which I've done a few times already driving some screws into decking).
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Post by GhostFist on May 28, 2015 21:57:18 GMT -5
Ghostfist - do the Festool right angle chucks fit? I see the Centrotec chuck fits the end. Yes and no. Mostly no. The angle chucks work off of a 1/4" the same as you can put a 1"driver bit directly into the drill without any attachment. So it will work...if you hold it in position. The mechanism festool uses to lock a right angle or eccentric chuck via their twist collar is not on the metabo drills. I suppose an adapter could be manufactured to accept this locking mechanism, slipping over the drills collar as you would with the auxiliary handle or the metabo chuck but it seems counter productive to do so. From what I understand, the right angle chuck for the pdc will work fine, but I actually prefer the metabo As it's easier to reposition
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Post by GhostFist on May 30, 2015 11:56:35 GMT -5
Just a quick little write up on the metabo hammer drill version.
Ergonomics. Grip is comfortable balance is good though a touch front heavy with the Jacobs chuck attached. I'm used to it and it's not a bother. Controls are easy to reach, sturdy and click nicely into place. One gripe is that you can push the torque on off button by mistake if you are drilling and have an over hand grip on the drill body.
Functionality. brushless motor with electronic chuck is excellent. Pulse mode actually comes in handy believe it or not, but is not a system seller on its own. 5.2 amp batteries last a stupid long time, you'll love that. incredible torque and quick rpm make tough jobs fast. Festools pdc has faster rpm but almost half the max torque at a more expensive price point.
Accessories. Jacobs chuck is all metal, quality construction with superior grip. Though a bit front heavy with this attached you'll be happy you have it when you're doing some serious drilling. the right angle chuck is an all aluminum body that steplessly secures to the drill with a cam lock. Far less fumbly than festools version. a worth while investment the be careful not to over tighten as it's possible to bend too tight and it'll be a bitch to get off. I scratched the collar of my drill this way. Purely superficial, but worth noting. Quick bit chuck works best with wire detent bits, solidly locks them into place and magnetizes the tip.works very well with ball detent bits and gives a good lock on them. Centrotec bits also have a wire detent on them so will lock in this chuck as well but more sturdily in an actual centrotec chuck which is compatible as are festool branded Jacobs chucks, a really nice bonus if you're making a switch from festool drills.
While I have no hands on with the festool pdc I would still recommend you give this drill a serious look first. At a much better price point without sacrificing build quality or features, and increased adaptability with its centrotec and standard bit compatibility it seems to me the obvious choice. if you're looking to consolidate your cordless arsenal there is much more variety in metabos camp than festool, though I have no experience with other metabo cordless from specs most of them appear to be fair to excellent quality.
The pdc offers 4 gear settings and higher overall rpm but at a lower max torque. I can't see the use with 4 gears. There is speed control on the trigger and torque selector on metabo and festool so another switch to fumble with seems counter productive.
The hammer function is not something I've given a fair run yet and will post back when I have.
For now I highly recommend this tool, especially if you've been eyeing the pdc.
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Post by lincoln on May 31, 2015 0:24:48 GMT -5
Picked up the Metabo drill yesterday - very happy with it, so far. Came with a third battery and impact driver skin. The impacter is fine, no different to any of the others on the market, except it's not brushless. If they come out with a bl version later, I'll probably grab it as a skin. The drill is great, plenty of power, nice balance and the attachments are quality. Drilled some holes in different materials and they were spot on. Registered it online, which gives you a three year warranty. The only negative is the shitty case it comes in - it's terrible, very cheap. I have ordered one of their 'MetaLoc' T-loc systainers for it, with insert. If you're interested in this drill, make sure you get the 'Quick' version, there is a similar drill but without the quick change chucks.
These two, along with my Festool C15 cover all my drilling bases.
I have 'slimmed down' my tools, which meant selling my Hilti cordless gear. I already have a decent corded grinder and corded rotary hammer drill, and they are fine for the amount I use them. When I get the KSS300 that will cover the cordless circular saw. I'm sorry to see the Hilti's go, but feel like I've made the right decision.
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Post by bb on May 31, 2015 9:42:56 GMT -5
Ghost, what model did you get?
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Post by jm on May 31, 2015 11:14:24 GMT -5
Ghost, what model did you get? SB 18 LTX BL Quick, judging by his description.
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Post by GhostFist on May 31, 2015 12:11:28 GMT -5
That's the one
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Post by GhostFist on May 31, 2015 12:14:37 GMT -5
Actually I didn't get the quick version, I purchased the quick attachment separately. my dealer brought in the wrong one. My quick attachment I imported from Germany at almost half the price of what it would have been for my local dealer to bring it in, including the shipping.
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Post by bb on May 31, 2015 12:25:56 GMT -5
Ghost, what model did you get? SB 18 LTX BL Quick, judging by his description. Okay thanks. I briefly looked at the Metabos but decided on the PDC to stay with the Festool battery platform.
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Post by jm on May 31, 2015 13:33:08 GMT -5
Okay thanks. I briefly looked at the Metabos but decided on the PDC to stay with the Festool battery platform. What other Festools are available in cordless, just drills and the jigsaw? I considered a T18, but comparing it to the BS 18 LTX BL made the decision pretty clear. The T18, for double the money, is really is half the drill the Metabo is, and the DRC/PDC, while certainly a worthwhile addition, still isn't as good as the Metabo, and doesn't get me into a diverse battery platform. Since then, I picked up the cordless versions of their impact wrench, SDS, circ saw, impact driver, recip saw, angle grinder, and their work lights (which are actually my most used out of all of them). Their impact wrench, lights, and angle grinder are best in class, their new-ish SDS is only bested by the brushless Milwaukees, the circ saw, impact driver, recip saw are in need of an update, but still do the job, just not as caught up w/ the rest of the market.
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Post by GhostFist on May 31, 2015 14:24:21 GMT -5
Festool is now offering cordless versions of the TS55 and the upcoming hkiforgetwhatitscalled.
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Post by lincoln on Jun 1, 2015 16:13:29 GMT -5
Wouldn't you know it...the MetaLoc systainers aren't available in Aus.
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Post by GhostFist on Jun 1, 2015 17:20:19 GMT -5
Ya no tloc here either.
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Post by GhostFist on Jun 1, 2015 17:31:09 GMT -5
SB 18 LTX BL Quick, judging by his description. Okay thanks. I briefly looked at the Metabos but decided on the PDC to stay with the Festool battery platform. My festool drills served me well. would be interested on your impressions on the pdc as I was eying them hard since the protool version. Did it come with the newer 5.2amp batteries? These things are the greatest! Would be interested in how much longer they last on other festool cordless tools. Also what do you think of having 4 gears?
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