Post by Tom Gensmer on Jan 9, 2018 10:06:43 GMT -5
Interesting stuff. It looks like Festool hasn't created anything new, rather they're taking existing aftermarket accessories (hose wrap, remote control, etc...) and integrating them into a ready-made product offering.
I'm rather bummed that they're sticking with the proprietary twist-lock style 27mm hose end, not a big fan of that style and glad the other manufacturers are sticking with the more "traditional" style.
I'm curious to see if the new hoses are any more flexible than the current offerings? My Nilfisk 32mm AS hose is amazingly flexible, and I've heard similar feedback on the Starmix AS hoses, I wonder if Festool has updated their formulation or not.
I'll check my Nilfisk hose to see if the ends lock into each other (EDIT: the 32mm Nilfisk hose does lock into itself). My Metabo hose locked into itself.
For the remote control, I've been using the iVac Pro Automated Dust Control Switch on my Oneida Dust Cobra and really like it.
Regarding the hose sleeve, it looks nice and I'm sure it's great for home-hobbyists and wood shops but I would be concerned with whether it accumulates/stores Lead dust, and whether it would be a potential source of cross-contaminating job sites. Probably an unfounded worry, but I'm curious to hear feedback from those who use the sleeves. I've been wrapping the hose around my arm for 10+ years now so it's just muscle memory at this point.
Overall, it's nice to see Festool make an effort to integrate these features into a single, factory-made product, I just don't see any compelling benefits for my usage.
I’d imagine that the hose wrap and the actual hose go hand in hand out of necessity. Guessing that the hose itself is perhaps not that durable on its own. I.e. if they chose to go ’proprietary’ that usually translates to = cheap to produce for better profit margin. I agree with Tom - in the work shop a hose wrap is fine if you even need it. But on the job site they are showing in the brochure I also wonder what kind of funk gets stuck between the polypropylene mesh and hose coils and needs to be washed out periodically. The occasional sharp steel wire from whatever or just points of nails / screws will be memorable encounters too.
Post by yetihunter on Jan 10, 2018 16:04:25 GMT -5
You guys are bringing up some very solid criticisms about debris passing through and geting stuck. We shall see. I did get burned on their previous sleeved hose. Oh, I could have just put a sleeve on my hoses but...noooooo...I'm too lazy and money grows on trees, apparently. That thing was a dirt magnet, and it tapered down to a wimpy 22mm. Fool me once... 🤣
Tom, you're slowly persuading me into getting a Nikfisk 44-21. I thought that their red anti-static hose was the same as the green Festool, blue Bosch, and etcetera. Anyway, it's not the hose that has my attention, it's the three..sometimes four stage filtration and the auotoclean. Same issue with the Metabo Starmix though....I can get Festool bags from 6 or 7 local stores.... not always the case with the Makita/Mirka badged older models, and the Milwaukee 33-21 hasn't made an appearance here yet.
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Post by yetihunter on Feb 15, 2018 20:14:51 GMT -5
Man, do I get hyperbolic on the internet when the doc prescribes painkillers. As I was saying... I got mine in and they're pretty legit. I'm slightly concerned that they may puncture easily. Surely, someone already thought of that. Time will tell.
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I hate the new twist lock hose ends. HATE them! I don't even feel I'm over reacting. Not only is it a bad design, it's another way of vendor lock-in. Festool, it's the Apple of woodworking.
What's the deal? Are they hard or rigid plastic or something? So they won't fit over the oval outlets of older Festo like the R)150E Rotex, Deltex & RS1? Will they still stretch over the slightly larger outlets of Metabo & Bosch Detail sanders any more. What of the "conventional" round outlets in more modern (but not the newest style) Fuss-tools: do the old/new hose ends still fit, or are some form of adapter required?
I've heard the complaints about dust spillage when changing tools, but nevertheless the end-on-end hose extending concept actually sounds like a winner to me.
My biggest beef is with the behaviour & performance of the local agent; Festool Oz. A locally (i.e. privately) owned affiliate as opposed to a subsidiary. Since a uniquely incenstuous little anti-competitive pricing "arrangement" was made with the local ACCC corporate watchdog, there's no discounting allowed. That's not the worst, however. My local retailers & repair shop have all been given the flick with virtually no notice, & so parts, spares, consumables & repairs are a nightmare to source locally now, if at all.
Who wants to do business with a corporate sociopath?
I applaud the sleeved hose very very much, but the actual locking mechanism design is really poorly thought out and exectured. The biggest annoyance is indeed that you have a vacuum connected to your tool and when you disconnect it, you get a bunch of residual dust. Then there's also the fact that the new connectors are really hard and stiff and I find them to be a pain to connect in general. Thirdly it's another form of vendor lock-in as I find both the tools and hoses themselves don't connect well with hoses tools from other brands anymore. Maybe other people don't have any issues with them, I personally have a very strong aversion to them. It's just a big step in the wrong direction to me. The universal round connector is simpler, universal and it actually worked a lot better. So WTF Festool? It's like they don't use or test their own tools... How did no one at Festool see this, it's beyond me... Obviously I'm not the only one who's complaining about this.
I was going to buy a couple of festool sanders but I'll happily shop elsewhere now! I hate them that much. And that's coming from a guy who has a pretty extenisve Festool collection.
2x MFT/3 tables 2x CTL26 autoclean vacs with boom arm OF-1400 router RO-90 sander VAC-SYS vacuum clamping unit Kapex 120 with UG stand and extensions VECTURO OS 400 osscilating tool DSG-AG 125 grinder DSC-AG 125 grinder DSC-AG 125 FH grinder HK 85 circ saw HK 55 circ saw 800, 1080, 1400, 1900 & 3000 rail 250, 420 & 670 FSK rail and a whole bunch of accessories
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Got me two of the new hoses, one to replace a worn out hose and one to replace the sleeved hose which I never liked. They are really nice to pack up and they are easy to wipe off if they get grimey. Overall a solid step forward in the exciting world of industrial vacuum hoses. *)
Bought them (and the Bluetooth kit, yet to be installed) for my yearly vendor bonus cheque.
*) make sure to turn down your sarcasm meter way down low or the gauge needle will pop through the glass...
Post by chippiegary on Mar 4, 2018 13:33:55 GMT -5
I’ve just got one for my Festool mini not tried yet but it seems a whole lot better more flexible and non snag too I hope ? Sadly got the non Bluetooth as they only work on the bigger vacs got yet another hose garage too cost me £170 for the pair outrageous pricing as always !!
abdon: I stand corrected , the angle fence is only attaches with F -Tracks , what confused me was , that the Timberwolf site mentioned it will work with the NFU machine, yes it will work but only I guess when you use the Ftrack , with other tracks Like the KSS L.
Nov 28, 2020 22:52:01 GMT -5
glynnco: Did you order from GereedschapPro? I see them as in stock but I'm located in the US and am not sure if they ship here. I sent them an email asking about shipping but it was returned undeliverable...
Dec 10, 2020 7:37:40 GMT -5
jonathan: I've purchased a lot of stuff from our neighbours @ GereedschapPro.nl As far as I know they are one of the larger Mafell dealers in the EU. I can recommend them, they usually respond quickly.
Dec 11, 2020 13:58:36 GMT -5
NFU 50 Transportation?: Hi Guys, is there some Systainer for the NFU 50?
Dec 11, 2020 14:30:12 GMT -5
frezik24: Hello everyone
Dec 13, 2020 9:20:00 GMT -5
lasse: Thanks for the tip! I have own a mafell rail which is 160 cm and one that is 80 cm. Will it work just as well or will I need to buy rail that is 110 cm?
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