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Post by skinee on Nov 6, 2017 8:15:59 GMT -5
got this rail square this morning and have snapped a few photos and a had a quick try out.photos below:
www.dropbox.com/sh/fby9n8swpusmbp8/AACKOkN9xVMElYL4ZsQc0u6Za?dl=0
specs. weight 1,050g(2lb.5oz) size: 370mmx149mm(14 1/2"x5 7/8")
first impressions are good,it seems well machined out of a block of aluminium,the square slides into the two grooves underneath the FSN rail and is captured with four rectangular brass plates,the two large brass hexagonal nuts are held in place with 4mm hex screw/bolts.these are offset in the brass hexagonal nuts and act like a cam,when turned they push the brass nuts tight to the rail.when mounting the square on the FSN rail these cam screws must be oriented towards the rail to allow an easy on/off.once tightened,the square is rock solid on the FSN rail.i made a test cut on a piece of 600mm(24") MFC using the kss 40,i used a 1.6m rail and did not clamp,i then tested for square using my large 600mm woodpecker square,the result was a perfectly square cut(this large woodpecker square is very accurate,having been tested regularly using other very accurate squares).I am very happy with this rail square and have every confidence in it performing equally well over the width of a full sheet of ply.i could not test the festool side of the square as I got rid of that rail system several years ago.i will most likely remove the brass fittings of the festool side(if I can) to reduce weight a little,in fact I would rather see a dedicated square for both systems which would reduce the cost of the square. I think the number of people using both types of rail system would be very small. |
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Post by kraftt on Nov 6, 2017 9:35:20 GMT -5
Pretty damn cool.
Looks insanely well built and yes confidence inducing, worthy of mafell.
Do you know the measured height when attached and tightened to rail (without Fest parts attached). i.e. what’s the thinnest material you can cut without hanging square off cutting surface?
Is there any rail tilt with saw not on rail?
It looks like the aluminum ribs, underneath the bolted brass clamp slot tees, do the bulk of the square to rail registration. Are they tight to both sides of the rail clamp channel when sliding on or is there a tiny bit of play and they do there job once the two brass nuts pull them against the clamp channel sides? i.e. is there any play before the two bolts are tightened?
Great photos - thanks.
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Post by skinee on Nov 6, 2017 10:46:40 GMT -5
Pretty damn cool. Looks insanely well built and yes confidence inducing, worthy of mafell. Do you know the measured height when attached and tightened to rail (without Fest parts attached). i.e. what’s the thinnest material you can cut without hanging square off cutting surface? Is there any rail tilt with saw not on rail? It looks like the aluminum ribs, underneath the bolted brass clamp slot tees, do the bulk of the square to rail registration. Are they tight to both sides of the rail clamp channel when sliding on or is there a tiny bit of play and they do there job once the two brass nuts pull them against the clamp channel sides? i.e. is there any play before the two bolts are tightened? Great photos - thanks. there looks to be about 8.5mm between the bottom of the FSN rail and the bottom of the square(festool parts removed) if that answers your first question. didn't notice any rail tilt before the saw was put on,the square feels light,i was using the 1.6m rail, on a shorter rail,800mm for instance, it may be weighty enough to tilt the rail but I can't see that it will be much of a problem. you are exactly correct in your assessment of of rail to square registration, a very slight amount of play in the ribs,when the cam screws are tightened they pull the rail tight to both aluminium ribs registering square.it really is machined very precisely,oozes quality,i think anyone with the mafell/bosch rail system will find this square a great asset .
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Post by henrun on Nov 7, 2017 14:49:30 GMT -5
Looks VERY solid for sure. It seems a little pricey though - never thought I'd slip that comment out on a Mafell forum!  |
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 7, 2017 15:00:50 GMT -5
Yes you are right henrun it’s not cheap mine came yesterday it’s very well machined though I guess it’s on par with the Festool one “tso I think “ price wise ,I will put it through it’s paces and report . Just put it on the rail so far it seems bang on square also ordered the metabo ks saw “body only “ I’m told I will get in next few days again I’ll report .
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 7, 2017 15:10:34 GMT -5
That’s the new “57” saw not the mitresaw although I’m gonna buy that as well
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Post by henrun on Nov 7, 2017 15:50:20 GMT -5
Will follow all input with interest. Both on the "57" and the square.
/ Henrik
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Post by the goof on Nov 7, 2017 18:33:47 GMT -5
Yes you are right henrun it’s not cheap mine came yesterday it’s very well machined though I guess it’s on par with the Festool one “tso I think “ price wise ,I will put it through it’s paces and report . Just put it on the rail so far it seems bang on square also ordered the metabo ks saw “body only “ I’m told I will get in next few days again I’ll report . can you say where the 57 is available to order from?thanks |
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 7, 2017 19:19:36 GMT -5
Hi goof I ordered mine directly from metabo at the toolfair show at sandown but d&m tools have them on their website £189 I think website says awaiting delivery I’m told “my friend called them” they are gonna have stock early next week hope that helps regards Gary
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Post by aas on Nov 8, 2017 1:07:00 GMT -5
Yes you are right henrun it’s not cheap mine came yesterday it’s very well machined though I guess it’s on par with the Festool one “tso I think “ price wise ,I will put it through it’s paces and report . Just put it on the rail so far it seems bang on square also ordered the metabo ks saw “body only “ I’m told I will get in next few days again I’ll report . can you say where the 57 is available to order from?thanks I ordered mine from mytoolstore 189€ - haven't received it yet though! |
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Post by henrun on Nov 10, 2017 13:30:51 GMT -5
I think it is a little too expensive for me. But it does look great. I run the FSN WAN angle unit and it works really well and can cut angles as well. I am not sure it would square up as reliably though!
The thing I like with the FC hybrid rail is that one can slide it in on the rail to the point of having the rail stick out enough for any saw to rest comfortably outside the material to be cut instead of having to plunge into the edge/cut.
Let me know how that 57 works out for you guys! At the moment there are at least five other items I need more than another track saw but the Metabo is extremely reasonably priced so if I do get the two decking jobs next season that I was asked to do I would definitely consider one to run all the pressure treated material cuts. The blades are dirt cheap too over here and would definitely suffice for these lowly grades of timber.
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Post by aas on Nov 10, 2017 14:17:06 GMT -5
The FSN WAN squares up perfectly - with a perfect square!.. don't trust the gauge. Once 'really' tightened, it won't move all day. I check it before using it.
I was half interested in the FC hybrid - but I would prefer it to be Mafell or Festool, not a mix up, and it is too expensive (for me).
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Post by kraftt on Nov 10, 2017 21:27:27 GMT -5
It would be interesting to see what everyone wants in a machined square, make a cad file and shop it around to get just what we want.
The great thing about the machined squares is they don't have to hang off the edge of sac surface.
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Post by yetihunter on Nov 19, 2017 2:38:40 GMT -5
got this rail square this morning and have snapped a few photos and a had a quick try out.photos below:
www.dropbox.com/sh/fby9n8swpusmbp8/AACKOkN9xVMElYL4ZsQc0u6Za?dl=0
specs. weight 1,050g(2lb.5oz) size: 370mmx149mm(14 1/2"x5 7/8")
first impressions are good,it seems well machined out of a block of aluminium,the square slides into the two grooves underneath the FSN rail and is captured with four rectangular brass plates,the two large brass hexagonal nuts are held in place with 4mm hex screw/bolts.these are offset in the brass hexagonal nuts and act like a cam,when turned they push the brass nuts tight to the rail.when mounting the square on the FSN rail these cam screws must be oriented towards the rail to allow an easy on/off.once tightened,the square is rock solid on the FSN rail.i made a test cut on a piece of 600mm(24") MFC using the kss 40,i used a 1.6m rail and did not clamp,i then tested for square using my large 600mm woodpecker square,the result was a perfectly square cut(this large woodpecker square is very accurate,having been tested regularly using other very accurate squares).I am very happy with this rail square and have every confidence in it performing equally well over the width of a full sheet of ply.i could not test the festool side of the square as I got rid of that rail system several years ago.i will most likely remove the brass fittings of the festool side(if I can) to reduce weight a little,in fact I would rather see a dedicated square for both systems which would reduce the cost of the square. I think the number of people using both types of rail system would be very small. I'm not allowed to buy any more tools until after Christmas. 🤕 So, let's say it's January 1st. How will I get ahold of one of these things? Do I just email this dude and Bob's your uncle? Does he ship to the US? Also ran, come the hecks on, Henrik, you can rock both the Bosch/Mafell WAN square and this FC square, simultaneously. You is a baller, son. |
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Post by lincoln on Nov 19, 2017 2:44:17 GMT -5
The DD40 guide rail fits on the 'festool' side of the square...you need to clamp it to the square to make sure it doesn't move, but I'm trying to come up with a way of fixing it without a clamp.
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