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Post by stofke72 on Oct 7, 2013 7:52:24 GMT -5
I actually would like your opinion on what to buy as a starter and what other tools (saw the other thread already very helpful) to combine with Mafell. I was thinking - Tracksaw: MT 55 cc don't really get what the difference is between MidiMAX and maxiMAX with rails either from Bosch or Mafell whatever works out cheaper.
- Mafell P1cc Jigsaw
- A router? Not sure what brand/model I should go for but I guess for use with the rails it would either be Bosch or Mafell.
- A sander, any tips here???
- a planer , any tips here???
- Domino/Lamello/Duo Doweller from Mafell? What are you guys using and what are the pro and cons?
- A dust extractor that works well with the above tools
I think after that the money will be gone  A Column Drilling Machine or something equivalent, a compact stationary planer and some quality hand tools is next on the list. A workbench I'm planning to make myself. A miter saw may be handy too as the one I have now is not accurate enough but I'll have to save some more money for that. What else should I consider? |
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Post by stofke72 on Oct 8, 2013 8:33:21 GMT -5
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Post by okami on Oct 8, 2013 9:14:49 GMT -5
A little more info would be useful to get a better understanding.
Are you wanting a mobile or portable set up or do you plan to work stationary from a shop?
Are you planning to use solid woods often?
Do you have space limitations?
If you are needing portability, a track saw is the way to go. On the other hand, if you will be working from a shop and don't need the portability, I'd have to say a tablesaw is the way forward.
For solid woods, a thicknesser and jointer would be really useful.
if your space is really limited, a portable set-up might work better.
These are some tools I wouldn't want to be without:
jointer
Planer
bandsaw
tablesaw
workbench or flat solid surface
loads of clamps and bowclamps
domino
router and table
random orbit sander
bevel up jack plane ( I like Veritas)
a few chisels and a few sharpening stones
dovetail saw.
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 8, 2013 9:39:54 GMT -5
I'd go for a festool router. I find the of1010 great for rebates and dadoes. I think the dd40 would be your best bang for buck when it comes to cabinets as apart from being an excellent joining system it can also accurately bang out shelf pins. The p1cc seems to me to be the top of the line jigsaw out there but if you're mainly just doing cabinets a jigsaw is not going to be one of your more important tools. I do find a fein multimasrer to be really handy during installations though and you should probably add that to your list. I don't think the super cut version is a necessary expense just for cabinets so the regular multimaster should do you nice. Of course you need dust collection and if you're in Europe is take a look at the new starmix vacs, otherwise festool or mafell vacs are great.
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Post by okami on Oct 8, 2013 10:27:34 GMT -5
I just read your posts in the introductions thread. Since you will mostly be using sheets and want a portable set-up, a track saw would be great. I wouldn't look any further than Mafell in that department.
an MFT might be useful to you also.
the festool 1010 (mafell has one identical made by festool) is a nice little router. Combined with a bigger router would be a good combo.
for a big plunge router the dewalt 625 ain't bad for the price (previously and Elu router), the festool 2000 is one of my favourites (which I believe is actually made by mafell).
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Post by stofke72 on Oct 8, 2013 12:49:11 GMT -5
A little more info would be useful to get a better understanding. Are you wanting a mobile or portable set up or do you plan to work stationary from a shop? Are you planning to use solid woods often? Do you have space limitations? Great questions, these help in defining what I need.
preferable a mobile solution, mostly not working with solid woodsIf you are needing portability, a track saw is the way to go. On the other hand, if you will be working from a shop and don't need the portability, I'd have to say a tablesaw is the way forward. I find it hard to decide, but I think I can start with the track saw as I need to be able to work on location
For solid woods, a thicknesser and jointer would be really useful. if your space is really limited, a portable set-up might work better. These are some tools I wouldn't want to be without: jointer Planer bandsaw I was hoping I could do without it for a while by using a jigsawtablesaw workbench or flat solid surface I'm working on that oneloads of clamps and bowclamps Any brands?domino In preference to the duo dowler?router and table random orbit sander bevel up jack plane ( I like Veritas) Thanks for the tipa few chisels and a few sharpening stones Any tips for brands here?dovetail saw. |
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Post by stofke72 on Oct 8, 2013 12:54:21 GMT -5
I'd go for a festool router. I find the of1010 great for rebates and dadoes. I think the dd40 would be your best bang for buck when it comes to cabinets as apart from being an excellent joining system it can also accurately bang out shelf pins. Yes I saw that in a video and since I will need to do a few of these that might be handy. But I also wonder about rail compatibility between Festool and MafellThe p1cc seems to me to be the top of the line jigsaw out there but if you're mainly just doing cabinets a jigsaw is not going to be one of your more important tools. I do find a fein multimasrer to be really handy during installations though and you should probably add that to your list. I have a lower end Bosch multitool but I guess that doesn't compare to the fein although it looks very similar.I don't think the super cut version is a necessary expense just for cabinets so the regular multimaster should do you nice. Of course you need dust collection and if you're in Europe is take a look at the new starmix vacs, otherwise festool or mafell vacs are great. starmix didn't know these are they comparable or better to festool or mafell? And easy to use with both tools from Mafell and Festool? |
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Post by stofke72 on Oct 8, 2013 12:56:08 GMT -5
I just read your posts in the introductions thread. Since you will mostly be using sheets and want a portable set-up, a track saw would be great. I wouldn't look any further than Mafell in that department. an MFT might be useful to you also. the festool 1010 (mafell has one identical made by festool) is a nice little router. Combined with a bigger router would be a good combo. for a big plunge router the dewalt 625 ain't bad for the price (previously and Elu router), the festool 2000 is one of my favourites (which I believe is actually made by mafell) Would one need both a small and big router? |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 8, 2013 13:32:28 GMT -5
In regards to needing both a small and a large sized router, this depends on the majority of your applications. If in the case of cabinetry, you're only doing rebates, flush trimming and simple profiles then a huge router like Festool's Of2200 isn't really necessary. If you intend to do large profile's like panel raising bits or grooving or housed stair stringers, heavy tasks. Then you're gonna need a router with some bollocks, Festool's of2200 is an excellent choice in this regard. Again I suggest you start small and get the big stuff when it can be justified
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Post by wrightwoodwork on Oct 8, 2013 15:40:26 GMT -5
If I was to mainly be working with sheet goods making cabinets the items I would get if starting out would be ;
Track saw mafell mt55 as you have the scoring function
Routers the festool of1010 will be able to do most tasks and a half inch router router for the heavier work the festool of1400 would be a good choice or the bosch gof1600 router is good choice as well. I wouldn't worry to much about being able to run the router along the guide rails nice if can do, but a simple jig made with slot for the copy ring to slide a along will give excellent results
The dd40 for joining and doing shelf pins or drilling the holes for drawer runners using the guide for 32mm layout
And a half sheet sander that would cover most tasks that you will do, then slowly build up a collection of router bits a router table would also be handy if you intend to make framed doors and some toggle clamps
When it comes to clamps I would personally get a selection of lever clamps properly bessay there is other like dou clamp and a selection of sash clamps for any heavy work another thing that can be used as a very simple clamp is ratchet straps
For hand tools I would get a good quality combination square doesn't need to be starret I have Stanley rabone, a couple of sliding bevals a dovetail saw a set of bevel chisels I have the irwin orange and yellow handle ones which are split proof can be battered with a hammer and stand up to the punishment. I wouldn't bother with the ones with the metal striking plate a no 4 1/2 smoothing plane I know people rave on about lie neilson but I prefer the clifton as it uses a high carbon steel which will give a far sharper blade as the molecules will grind down far finer than a2 tool steel which is also harder to sharpen but that is a personal choice a selection of water stones 400, 1000, 5000 grits brands to get is endless I have bester if you not great at hand sharpening The tormek system is excellent way to go and gives good results then the rest can be added as you go
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Post by jalvis on Oct 8, 2013 16:03:20 GMT -5
MT 55 with tracks allowing cuts up to 8ft
DD40 with Template Guide
Festool CT 26 Extractor
Festool RO 150
Table Saw For quick ripping(must have accurate fence) Portable with several blades will work. I like the larger Bosch.
Festool 1400 Router(if dust collection isnt Important get several Porter Cables since the plunge function isnt necessary for most cabinets)
Sliding Miter saw(Smaller Makita 8 1/2" would be a great first.....then a Kapex but I would keep the Makita)
MIter saw stand with Wings(must have accurate stops)
Festool MFT for squaring panels(use the Mafell rails and save up for a sliding table saw or the Erika with Slider)
Theres more but thats a start.
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Post by okami on Oct 8, 2013 21:40:28 GMT -5
A little more info would be useful to get a better understanding. Are you wanting a mobile or portable set up or do you plan to work stationary from a shop? Are you planning to use solid woods often? Do you have space limitations? Great questions, these help in defining what I need.
preferable a mobile solution, mostly not working with solid woodsIf you are needing portability, a track saw is the way to go. On the other hand, if you will be working from a shop and don't need the portability, I'd have to say a tablesaw is the way forward. I find it hard to decide, but I think I can start with the track saw as I need to be able to work on location
For solid woods, a thicknesser and jointer would be really useful. if your space is really limited, a portable set-up might work better. These are some tools I wouldn't want to be without: jointer Planer bandsaw I was hoping I could do without it for a while by using a jigsawtablesaw workbench or flat solid surface I'm working on that oneloads of clamps and bowclamps Any brands?domino In preference to the duo dowler?router and table random orbit sander bevel up jack plane ( I like Veritas) Thanks for the tipa few chisels and a few sharpening stones Any tips for brands here?dovetail saw. Using just sheets, a jigsaw should be fine. If you want the best, get the mafell. Good cheaper options would be the bosch or trion. For clamps, I like Bessey and Pony. Also Bowclamps are excellent for cabinet assembley, especially central dividers where clamps can't reach. Also good for face frames. i haven't used the mafell dowler, but imagine for cabinet and built-in work it would be nice, especially with the track. I've used the do festool domino a lot, it's a fantastic tool, the best tool festool makes IMHO. Although they had to change the "pin" design as it was a copied design. Festool got a slap on the wrists for that:) chisels, I have an old set of blue marples, I've had them since my college years. My most used chisels are some very old Japanese chisels. I'm not sure of the maker, but the laminated steel is good, and they sharpen up easily. They're not pretty, but I love them. If you are planning to get some decent, new chisels at a pretty good price, I'd go for koyamaichi's every time. Great chisels! |
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Post by okami on Oct 8, 2013 21:47:30 GMT -5
I just read your posts in the introductions thread. Since you will mostly be using sheets and want a portable set-up, a track saw would be great. I wouldn't look any further than Mafell in that department. an MFT might be useful to you also. the festool 1010 (mafell has one identical made by festool) is a nice little router. Combined with a bigger router would be a good combo. for a big plunge router the dewalt 625 ain't bad for the price (previously and Elu router), the festool 2000 is one of my favourites (which I believe is actually made by mafell) Would one need both a small and big router?No, you could get by with one. Two is great if you want a router table. if I could only have one router, I'd probably go for a heavy one.. But for your mostly sheet goods work, the mid range festool 1400 might be a good all rounder to start off with. if that's too much money, I'd get the dewalt 618 fixed base/ plunge or the dewalt 621 plunge router. |
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 8, 2013 22:15:43 GMT -5
In regards to the domino, I own one and while it's a great tool I feel the dd40 is more versatile especially when it comes to cabinets. The track with it allows for easy alignment and works off the 32mm system so it doubles for super fast shelf pins. While I'm still getting used to my domino I find it rather finicky. I'm really expecting my dd40 to be much more versatile. I'm keeping the domino as I think it will be great for more furniture type stuff but the dd40 has my money when it comes to cabinets.
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Post by 7 on Oct 8, 2013 22:28:42 GMT -5
Complicated question in my opinion. Sounds like at the moment it is about portability. Not knowing exactly what you will be doing presents a challenge for sure. I have always had the luxury of needing a tool for a specific upcoming job, then I purchase.
Miter saw with stand that includes production stops
Track saw or Table saw: Table is faster for repeat cuts, Track uses less space and is more accurate for mitering corners (for column wraps etc)
I used to use a bosch table saw but moved to the small dewalt that only has 16" rip capacity. (all I seem to use outside of the shop) If space were
were not an issue the big stationary table saws are nice.
Router- I use the Bosch Colt a lot for light round over edge profiles. Good starter, good price. allows time for deciding which expensive router after experience.
Domino or DD40- That is one I am still hoping to figure out.
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A Column Drilling Machine or something equivalent, a compact stationary planer and some quality hand tools is next on the list. A workbench I'm planning to make myself. A miter saw may be handy too as the one I have now is not accurate enough but I'll have to save some more money for that.
