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Post by aas on Oct 4, 2017 15:38:57 GMT -5
Just got a good deal on a Zeta P2 for a built-in wardrobe job - 3 systainers with 80 pairs of Clamex, 80 pairs of Tenso and 80 pairs of Divario (plus the Zeta P2 of course!) - along with all the necessary tools/jigs etc.
I need to reference the shelves off the back edge as the verticals are larger than the shelves (for sliding door system). I think this would make the Divario jig difficult to use based on videos I've seen.
Has anyone tried drilling the 32mm centred 8mm holes for the Divario male with the DD40 using the toothed guide rail? I'm thinking this is the way to go - repeatable accuracy and fast.
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 4, 2017 23:11:58 GMT -5
Haven't personally used the divario connectors but it did ask about the dd40 and these when I purchased my zeta. The lamello rep was aware of the dd40 and said it works great. Only issue is if you are using divario to put a shelf in a pre existing cabinet in which case he recommended the jig. Of courses word of mouth as translated through the sands of time and my aging memory. I kinda want to play with some of these now. Thanks for reminding me about them
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Post by jimbouk on Oct 4, 2017 23:47:15 GMT -5
It's either dd40 or make a jig that's square that's probably even quicker/more accurate than the dd40.
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Post by aas on Oct 5, 2017 0:01:09 GMT -5
DD40 quicker = it drills two holes at a time!
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Post by jimbouk on Oct 5, 2017 2:12:31 GMT -5
I find jigs quicker as there is no measuring and setting out of the rail. It depends on the quantity your making. For a small run the dd40 would win. Plus I love using any M kit as it's a pleasure đŸ˜€
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Post by erik on Oct 5, 2017 7:42:47 GMT -5
Do you need to slide the shelves in and out after the verticals have been installed?
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Post by holmz on Oct 5, 2017 7:55:34 GMT -5
I am having a hard time visualising it...
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Post by GhostFist on Oct 5, 2017 12:16:34 GMT -5
As I understand. Divario are a simple way to permanently fix a shelf in place in an existing carcass. I'm wondering how they do on a 45 degree bevel edge
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Post by aas on Oct 5, 2017 15:41:01 GMT -5
I should have read the Divario leaflet in Systainer No 3... it says the holes can be made with the Mafell DD40.
GhostFist : I'm not sure the Divario works on a 45 degree edge. Also, they're not just for existing, but new carcass too - 100% concealed fixing - 80kg load in 19mm board.
Jimbouk : I use jigs for everything too, not sure it will speed me up here - DD40 with toothed guide rail is very fast to use.
Erik : No, just a fast way to do concealed fixing for this job. I would use Tenso if I could, but won't work in this situation.
Holmz : You've lost me there!.. visualising what?
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Post by erik on Oct 6, 2017 8:56:24 GMT -5
I think the divario is so slick but the jig and free-hand drilling put me off. The type of builds where these connectors apply are typically contemporary furniture, where geometric accuracy is used as ornamentation. Not a lot of wiggle run if a connector goes off the mark a bit. Clamex is great, but if you want blind connectors, this is it.
Good to know the dd40 can be used, like to see which method you end up using for repeatably.
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Post by aas on Oct 7, 2017 1:10:54 GMT -5
I think I'll knock up a jig/square to butt the DD40 rail up against. One measurement to set the height of the shelf, put the jig in place, then the guide rail, tighten up and drill! I can mark the position of the DD on the jig. Should be 30 seconds and I'll de done.
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Post by erik on Oct 7, 2017 9:23:49 GMT -5
AAS, you just gave me an idea, I'm going to cnc a jig with notches that match the dd40 rail and put a right angle on it.
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Post by aas on Oct 7, 2017 13:27:02 GMT -5
I had a look at the DD40 rail today to see if I could replicate the edge direct into the jig - but I'm not going to go down the CNC route. I think I'll just keep it simple!
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Post by holmz on Oct 7, 2017 22:49:46 GMT -5
AAS, you just gave me an idea, I'm going to cnc a jig with notches that match the dd40 rail and put a right angle on it. Do you have a mill? Lathe? or what? Or are you outsourcing it? |
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Post by erik on Oct 8, 2017 10:00:27 GMT -5
My wife has a small cnc based craft shop where she mills signs, cutting boards, etc..I just need to draw it in CAD and she can convert it.
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