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Post by toomanytoys on Jun 12, 2017 14:02:22 GMT -5
I think I'd rather have Mafell's "Tool-Nazi" approach (I have German heritage so it's not a micro-aggression) then Festool's approach to the Kapex issue.
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Post by bicycleclip on Jun 12, 2017 14:19:06 GMT -5
As someone who hasn't 'drunk the green kool-aid' what on earth is the Festool Kapex issue?
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Post by reflector on Jun 12, 2017 20:51:53 GMT -5
Between Carvexs overheating the blade, breaking the internals from hitting a nail ("warranty not honored") comes the issue of the Kapex burning its motor out with extraordinarily high rates, at least perceived. Combined with the whole koolaid defense force of "it can't handle rough stuff like carpentry, only woodworking, cabinet making and trim!" Or something like that... I could go on but I don't want to become a targeted individual to another forum....
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Post by bicycleclip on Jun 13, 2017 4:57:30 GMT -5
Between Carvexs overheating the blade, breaking the internals from hitting a nail ("warranty not honored") comes the issue of the Kapex burning its motor out with extraordinarily high rates, at least perceived. Combined with the whole koolaid defense force of "it can't handle rough stuff like carpentry, only woodworking, cabinet making and trim!" Or something like that... I could go on but I don't want to become a targeted individual to another forum.... Thanks for clarifying that. Yes, some people's systems quickly become belief-systems.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 13, 2017 9:33:53 GMT -5
... Combined with the whole koolaid defense force of "it can't handle rough stuff like carpentry, only woodworking, cabinet making and trim!" .... I’ve actually heard that line a lot from Festool salesmen before when pressed. The most memorable was while waiting for materials at a local supplier. Their mostly Festool tool department mistook my browsing for warming up to the idea of going green. I got the whole scientology pitch of completely switching over to their ‘system’. When I teased him by asking ‘so where are the real tools?’, continuing ‘what else could I use this stuff for - for my investment?’, his nose went up in the air and I was hit with a speech about the majesty of cabinetmaking being above all else especially the demeaning soiled world of lowly carpentry and that I obviously wasn’t ready. I could have been easily talked into their tracksaw though back then.
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Post by charley1968 on Jun 13, 2017 13:59:15 GMT -5
oh. Thought i got away from these emotionally charged discussions.. now Mafell-Users taking pot-shots at Festool Owners...ts ts ts This is not about tools, is it?
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Post by reflector on Jun 13, 2017 16:16:14 GMT -5
I own a Pro 5 LTD and I find it a great sander at $100. Does it beat my Bosch in the shaping of the sander? No. Does it vibrate less than my Bosch that's almost half the price?
But the whole marketing image, the ultra hardcore segment of the fanbase that goes "ANYTHING THAT ISN'T GREEN IS FILTHY INFERIOR PLEBIAN COW DROPPINGS FOR INACCURATE LESSER-THAN-FINE-WOODWORKING THINGS THAT ARE ROUGH AND ARE DROPPED OFTEN LIKE THE INFERIOR TOOLS THEY ARE THAT DESERVE ABUSE" that comes from the marketing image...
Not a fan of that combined with some failings (Carvex (The original European only release version wasn't good either with non adjustable guides...), Kapex, the TS55"R"'s early release with faults and what looks like Festool reducing the cost of production inclusive of using a plain bearing, early versions without a good zero stop... etc. Combine that with the defense force that treats Festool as perfect and ueber allen, even over things that are genuinely better than the specific Festool offering.
The combination of that makes me stare at the big price tags associated with Festool items and made me think seriously about where I put my money. In my case I got two Mafells out of my analysis process. The other option would have been a Bosch jigsaw and possibly a Makita track saw or importation of a Bosch tracksaw (The close relative of the MT55cc).
I just mentioned the "targeted individual" thing because, well, I've seen it turn real ugly for some guy who just wanted to bring up a flaw about a defect with their tool.
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Post by holmz on Jun 14, 2017 5:52:51 GMT -5
oh. Thought i got away from these emotionally charged discussions.. now Mafell-Users taking pot-shots at Festool Owners...ts ts ts This is not about tools, is it? I rather enjoy challenging people's decision and belief processes. There are a few gems one can find on there. Alkaline in Slovakia and Derek in Perth both have some great examples. There are some others too, but they stick out in my mind.
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Post by toomanytoys on Jun 14, 2017 11:03:22 GMT -5
I wasn't trying to startup a tool war, but as someone who almost bought a Kapex and feels like I dodged a safe over my head, I'm amazed at the lack of response, acknowledgement and resolution for such a costly item. Since I'm not in the trade the motor failure would have been personal and a burden. I'll pay a uncommon price for an item, but I expect uncommon reliability.
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Post by reflector on Jun 20, 2017 12:59:13 GMT -5
I hate to bring this up...
But for anyone owning an "inferior, half voltage, wrongvoltage tool"... Can you raise your hands and tell me if your graceful, dexterious, slimline elven daintly woodworking tools have had their universal motor burn up and have been illicitly replacing them without acknowledging the central committee? Apparently "global companies" are incapable of building such a burly, ugly, untermenschian muscular with big, beefy windings that can withstand inferior voltage and instead inferior, local manufacturing from the Americans (With all their backwards, inferior ways) can only be relied on to do such lowly tasks. Obviously, Mafell, much like Festool is a superior German tool company and thus their motors must fall into the former category... I should probably check my Bosch table saw, as Bosch too is German and clearly they too must be incapable of making such an inferior, backwards voltaged motor unless the tool itself is inherently inferior and incapable of high precision woodworking.
I mean, that's the only reason that Kapex motors blow up. Clearly the fault of the wrongful, half-voltage continent of inferiority, or more specifically a country of inferior stock. A banana republic, backwards in all its way, of all its people. Especially for disagreeing with whatever is arbitrarily deemed superior. Perhaps it should be forcibly dismantled for being a disgusting colony daring to challenge clearly superior European powers. They must submit, the inferior savages. Those Americans and their differing ways.
Should I include a sarcasm tag for this?
You get bonus points from me if you know I am referring to, which isn't on MUF since I have not seen this kind of cow patties being dropped around.
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Post by kraftt on Jun 20, 2017 16:42:09 GMT -5
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Rothoblaas Australia
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Post by Rothoblaas Australia on Jun 8, 2020 23:48:55 GMT -5
Rothoblaas Australia is the Authorised distributor of Mafell in Australia rothoblaas.com.au 03 8787 7579
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Post by holmz on Jun 17, 2020 5:06:20 GMT -5
Rothoblaas Australia is the Authorised distributor of Mafell in Australia rothoblaas.com.au 03 8787 7579 Things changed while I was in the cave!
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Post by huntsgemein on Jun 17, 2020 10:56:45 GMT -5
OK so why no flamin' mention of Mafell on your website, then?
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Post by lincoln on Jun 17, 2020 16:23:50 GMT -5
OK so why no flamin' mention of Mafell on your website, then? They have a link to the catalogue, which probably means they don't carry any stock.
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