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Post by calidecks on Nov 16, 2017 12:48:04 GMT -5
Thanks for that calidecks your findings I’m guessing is all the saws are cordless the 40,50and 60 if so I think the 40 seems more powerful because of size of blade I’ve not done a cut in 2x lumber to compare with the 40 . its the 36v battery in the 40 and the 60. twice the juice. 18v in the 40.
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Post by arvid on Nov 16, 2017 13:48:57 GMT -5
its the 36v battery in the 40 and the 60. twice the juice. 18v in the 40. Yes true I always mixup the 40 and 400
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Post by henrun on Nov 16, 2017 15:55:29 GMT -5
Calidecks: ok, I did find the KSS50 "good enough" but I only had the KSS60 (corded) for two three months and it was a beast in action so from memory they felt "similar". Last cuts I made with the KSS50 was dry pine studs and it zipped through them just as advertised. So far, the MT55/18 is delivering and I am quite impressed with it - handles just like the MT55cc with same weight (with battery!) and balance is just as good, cuts clean and with a Metabo Dustbag on there is very little else to ask for. No tough ripping yet though. Might have to push it a little to see what it is capable of.
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 16, 2017 17:19:21 GMT -5
Hi here's my review of kss 50 cordless so far . A client of mine asked me to do a weeks work on a house he is renovating I know that when I got there the work would be really varied so I thought the kss50 might just be perfect for this? So- job 1 - trimming 6x2 pressure treated timber to length for a kitchen sub-floor - I suppose I made approx twenty cross cuts with 16 tooth "what mafell call a ripping blade " with supplied 400 guide track , I found it cut the timber well enough not as well as my colleagues makita along side me but certainly didn't feel as though the saw was labouring , I am basing this on a makita twin 18 v as a comparison it certainly wasn't as quick as the makita but wasn't alot slower "unfortunately didn't get to do a rip cut on the 2x which was wet but not soaking . Dust extraction was ok but not outstanding "no kss saw in my opinion is " . Job2 - trimming exterior grade plywood 18mm as floor covering -this really was like a knife through butter I used 24 tooth blade for this with Bosch f rails cuts were remarkably splinter free "it was a new rail ,splinter strip and blade to be fair , but the saw was very good it behaved as though it was corded very impressed . Job 3 - trimming 18 mm mdf into various things shelving ,boxing in pipes, making cupboards etc - I used the supplied 32 tooth blade for this with guide track and f rails and again found it excellant splinter free cuts although after about two days of cutting blade started to dull and edges started to fur a bit "cheap mdf also ". Dust extraction was again ok but as it was inside had vacuum hooked up most of the time which was better than bag " used metabo mitre saw bag as supplied one is not great keeps falling off " turning vacuum on manually got on my nerves though would have preferred corded if I am constantly using vacuum . Job4 - cutting mdf skirting board and architrave - obviously a mitre saw would deal with this a lot more quicker and easier but the saw dealt with it ok albeit with a bit of cutting technique turning stock over for mitres etc but handled it no problem and accurately all on the supplied guide track and "getting blunt 32 tooth blade " . Job 5 - cutting 3x2 timber for internal stud wall - think i put 24 tooth blade back in machine made cross cuts with guide track , timber was not pressure treated and was dry , definitely cut easier than 6x2 pressure treated no problems at all . Job6 - small kitchen fit which included painted 18mm mdf panels ,18 mm cheap melamine and 40 mm laminated worktops - this is where I thought the machine would be totally out of its depth with cut quality . I fitted 56 tooth blade and to be fair did 1 mm scoring cuts on the f rails before completing the full depth cuts well I must say I was very pleasantly surprised the cuts were definately good enough although an mt 55 would be so much quicker . I had to do a plunge cut for the sink cut out I found plunge lever ok "I'm used to kss saws though " all in all didn't let itself down at all . I found battery life really good on the machine , dust extraction ok , the big question is the power of the cordless version . Someone mentioned that maybe it should have been twin batteries making it 36 v but itn my opinion the extra weight would have made this wrong it is my favourite saw in use the balance and portability is excellant I feel you could use it all day very comfortably . if I was framing all day I'd buy a kss60/80 If I was a flooring/ decking contractor I'd buy a kss300/40 If I was cutting sheet goods / kitchen fitting I'd buy a mt 55 My point is I think the kss50 is an excellant all rounder it will do a lot of jobs well where as the above saws will do certain tasks exceptionally well , unfortunately and sadly "cost wise there is no one "do it all saw " although if you were to buy just one or you were to buy your first track saw I think the kss50 would be a winner for me would do most tasks . What I will say if you think you were gonna do maybe a lot of framing corded may be the way to go as well as using with power start up on your extractor . I bought this machine on a bit of a whim "actually meant to buy a kss60 " and came away with this also bought cordless because I wanted to ,not because I needed to . I've been really pleased so far with machine although if I had my time again may have bought corded for reasons above . That said although i really love this machine it's the one I can see least used because of its jack of all trades tag I'm spoilt for choice luckily so tend to take the right tool for the job ie- mt 55 for kitchen fitting etc hope I've not rambled on too much and that it may help someone out with their maybe future purchase .
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Post by henrun on Nov 17, 2017 15:23:47 GMT -5
Excellent write up Gary!
I agree to pretty much all what you wrote, with all the different tasks that you mentioned it really sums up the capabilities well.
Pressure treated is the arch nemesis it seems. I honestly think the KSS40 will do as good as or even better for decking at up to the 34mm that is common over here. Not capable of chopping the 2x studs though so I don't really consider the KSS40 an ideal decking saw - unless paired with a capable mitre saw.
/ Henrik
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 17, 2017 15:33:39 GMT -5
Thanks Henrik I’ve pretty much got to where you are now with it as much as I like it I think it will gather dust I’m a nightmare for buying saws , I could have a ten year old sds drill which is barely working but I’m damned if I’ll change it and will moan like hell about how much it will cost yet I will buy saws for fun “especially mafell “ need to copy you me thinks and move them on , thanks again
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Post by calidecks on Nov 17, 2017 22:48:44 GMT -5
Excellent write up Gary! I agree to pretty much all what you wrote, with all the different tasks that you mentioned it really sums up the capabilities well. Pressure treated is the arch nemesis it seems. I honestly think the KSS40 will do as good as or even better for decking at up to the 34mm that is common over here. Not capable of chopping the 2x studs though so I don't really consider the KSS40 an ideal decking saw - unless paired with a capable mitre saw. / Henrik I've been using the 40 for 2x. It doesn't work for miters, but it gets through 2x. (Barely) In fact I use it for the fun of it. Even though there's a better saw for the task. I get a grin from ear to ear everytime I use it.
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 18, 2017 3:57:24 GMT -5
Calidecks - it’s nice to know it’s not only me who thinks like this ,they are love affairs these saws “dammit !! My dentist reckons before long I’ll have more saws than teeth !
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Post by henrun on Nov 18, 2017 7:51:00 GMT -5
As long as you have enough tooths on your blades you'll be fine Gary. Don't need teeth for drinking beer.
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Post by jozsefkozma on Nov 18, 2017 8:14:15 GMT -5
As long the Mrs doesn’t know it is not to bad (Still can’t sell a saw , I was able to give away one ) I just can not separate myself from them Yes saws outnumber teeth ,
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Post by John.h on Nov 20, 2017 15:25:27 GMT -5
I was looking at getting the KSS 50 18mbl. Is it a better idea to get the bare saw, then purchase the Metabo batteries and charger? I can get the bare saw with 2x 7ah batteries and charger for around the same price as the Mafell saw package.
Cheers john..
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 20, 2017 15:36:00 GMT -5
I think I would John the 7.0 ah batteries really do make a difference only thing is if there are any warranty issues would it be a problem ? I wouldn’t know but someone might ?
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Post by chippiegary on Nov 20, 2017 15:36:46 GMT -5
It’s a great all round saw by the way
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Post by John.h on Nov 20, 2017 15:40:28 GMT -5
I’m guessing if I got the bare saw the warranty would be just with that if any thing went wrong. I was looking at getting the saw from EBay (German store) and the batteries from FFX tools in the U.K.
John
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Post by John.h on Nov 20, 2017 15:44:30 GMT -5
I have a couple of Mafell Tools at the moment. The plunge saw and jigsaw. I’m thinking of selling my Festool HKC 55 as the warranty is nearly up and I fancy a change 😁
John
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